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Admiral_JasterMereel Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/18/08 9:09am Subject: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	IN ALL SERIOUSNESS I ask the question: How is it possible to side with the Rebel Alliance knowing their agenda which makes known intentions of removing figures of power by force, most times resulting in the death of said political leaders and otherwise bent on the destruction of the incumbent government? In this day and age, the world is fully aware of the horrors of terrorism. How can one not liken the Alliance's acts to modern-day terrorism? ALTHOUGH: The Alliance did not openly attack civilians or locations not affiliated with Imperial organizations (so far as is known), the intent to remove the Empire's power. Discuss. [That is all] -----signature----- "For the signifier is a unit in its very uniqueness, being by nature symbol only of an absence" - Jacques Lacan Visit ALL THE FLAIR OF A FILING CABINET @ jacobkarnas.blogspot.com
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 8/18/08 9:14am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	According to the dictionary . . . Terrorism: Political opposition using means planned to cause fear among the persons governing. Rebellion: Open resistance to authority. Now, they may sound the same, but not all rebellions use terrorist tactics. In SW, the Alliance did not use terrorist tactics in their fight against the Empire. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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timmoishere Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 8/18/08 9:15am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	The Rebellion only attacked legitimate military targets. They did their best to limit civilian casualties during their conflicts. -----signature----- Will do moose stuff for money. Everything tastes better wrapped in bacon, especially bacon 11/20/2008: The day I married the most wonderful woman in the world.
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 8/18/08 3:53pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	Uh, they can justify them fairly easily. The Rebels only attacked legitimate military targets and were fighting to restore freedom to the galaxy. There's absolutely no ambiguity there. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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Admiral_JasterMereel Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/18/08 5:03pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	HOWEVER, WHEN VIEWED from the Empire's or general public's point of view, the attacks would be seen much in the same way the United States viewed the attacks of 11 September, 2001. The United States is corrupt and many political figures are commonly called "evil". Would it then be "okay" to attack Washington D.C., the Pentagon or any Air Force/Naval base solely because they are military or government related? [That is all] -----signature----- "For the signifier is a unit in its very uniqueness, being by nature symbol only of an absence" - Jacques Lacan Visit ALL THE FLAIR OF A FILING CABINET @ jacobkarnas.blogspot.com
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 8/18/08 5:04pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	It could just be because one is a story and the other is in RL. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 8/18/08 5:06pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	The Rebels opposed the tyranny of the Empire. While the Empire was the government that ruled the galaxy and the old Republic did unite into that Empire you have to realize that almost anyone was blind to what was really happening. Not too many people new that Palpatine was actually a Sith Lord. Order 66, need I say more?. The Empire controlled the media so any 'uprising' or 'resistance' to what the Empire did was construed as terrorist acts or some form of violence directed at authority. Just weeks after the Empire is formed a battle goes down again at Kashyyyk, there are some runaway Jedi who escaped Order 66 so the Wookiee's are already in trouble for harboring these fugitives then a clonetrooper gets ballsy and all hell breaks lose. The aftermath of course is that the Wookiees are now enslaved and sent to help construct the Death Star. Most people don't find out about this and the ones that do and question it are of course told about what uncivilized unreasonable beings they are. It wasn't just with Kashyyyk either, the Noghri were basically enslaved too. Then of course you have planetwide atrocities that occur like Vader setting the planet Falleen ablaze or the orbital bombardment of Caamas. Then once the Rebellion has made a name for itself it'll be easy for the Empire to portray the Alliance as some guerilla warfare terrorist faction since they've gone strong for twenty or something feeding the public a bunch of BS. However there were some people that saw the truth. These people who were there since the Two Thousand days knew what was happening by slowly allowing your rights to go away and having someone else do your thinking for you. The Rebellion was the place for anyone who had been screwed by the Empire or was tired of the Empire getting away with what they were. I think about it and joining the Rebellion must have been like freeing your mind from the Matrix. Hard road no doubt. However you don't have to live a life that you have no control over. BTW: What up Jay? I saw you at Nico's Taco on Bway and Kolb like a month ago but you were into a convo with someone so I just watched for my carne asada. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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Admiral_JasterMereel Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/18/08 5:18pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	AH, HEY FRANK. I didn't even see you there. How's the kid? ALSO: Thanks for that post. That is exactly what I'm talking about. As a citizen under Imperial rule, knowing nothing of the atrocities perpetrated by your government, would you view the Rebels as terrorists or as freedom-loving heroes? Having excelled in all politic-based classes in high school and college (I tell you this because I'm conceited and amazing [lawl]), I was taught to see both sides of the story (I was also in Mock Trial and took Pre-Law [conceited]). Sure, the terrorists are wrong, but were the Rebels as well? AND: JEDIGUNSHIP - Are you serious? Star Wars isn't real?! OMG! [That is all] -----signature----- "For the signifier is a unit in its very uniqueness, being by nature symbol only of an absence" - Jacques Lacan Visit ALL THE FLAIR OF A FILING CABINET @ jacobkarnas.blogspot.com
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 8/18/08 5:20pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	But you get the point; evryhting is an opinion. You may be right that the Rebellion are doing "acts of terrorism", but they view themselves as freedom fighters. It is all, like Obi-Wan puts it, "from a certain point of view". So, the RA can actually justify their attacks. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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Admiral_JasterMereel Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/18/08 5:37pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	OF COURSE I get the point. I had the point when I began the thread. This is meant for discussion. Mostly, the Alliance's actions are fine with everyone. That is fine. But I urge everyone to see the actions from the other side. I directed a short film in high school that was shot from the perspective of an ensign in the Imperial Navy. I didn't want to do it, but the Media Production teacher wanted to and we did it... Oy Vey. That was about the time when Jesse, Frank and Mark made me join TF.N. Thanks, Frank. The ensign doesn't know that his government is "evil". All he knows is that the Alliance is attacking them in the final scene and he doesn't understand their motives. He, of course, dies (not on screen; we fade out and you hear his death and are left with a very moving orchestral piece over the credits). ALSO: I was not a nerd. I was actually extremely popular, but this is a different story. [That is all] -----signature----- "For the signifier is a unit in its very uniqueness, being by nature symbol only of an absence" - Jacques Lacan Visit ALL THE FLAIR OF A FILING CABINET @ jacobkarnas.blogspot.com
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 8/18/08 8:33pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? - Date Edited: 8/18/08 8:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
	Admiral_JasterMereel posted: HOWEVER, WHEN VIEWED from the Empire's or general public's point of view, the attacks would be seen much in the same way the United States viewed the attacks of 11 September, 2001. The United States is corrupt and many political figures are commonly called "evil". Would it then be "okay" to attack Washington D.C., the Pentagon or any Air Force/Naval base solely because they are military or government related? [That is all] Oh, I have no doubt that most Imperial citizens would view the Rebellion as evil. However, they're simply misinformed and wrong. As for the Al-Qaeda comparison, it's flawed. They attacked civillians while the Rebels only attack military targets. There is also a fairly significant difference between a corrupt democracy(which I'd agree we are to an extent) and an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship. The former is merely corrupt while the latter is flatout evil. Now, I know Al-Qaeda would argue that the U.S. is the great Satan and must be destroyed, but they're simply wrong as well. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 8/18/08 9:31pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	It is true though. Some hate on EU but there is a story and I forget which one exactly but it is in a collection of short stories from Tales of the Empire where a captain of a tourist transport see's just this point we're talking about. She has a former love in her life who is an Imp and it's almost like in Sound of Music when the elder girl see's the boy she used to have feelings for but he is totally different because he is a brainwashed Nazi. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 8/18/08 9:47pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	Because the Empire isn't a legal government. Palpatine only became Chancellor through what would be termed on Earth as vote rigging; the founders of the Rebellion were aware of this, as Organa and the rest got the scoop from Yoda & Obi-Wan that Palpatine=Sidious. And he only became Emperor through a war that he started with his apprentice, and fed the other side valuable intelligence all through the war on Republic war efforts. So, going by just regular Earth laws, we have: -tampering with an election -conspiracy to commit murder("Wipe them out. All of them." And the ordered strike against the Outbound Flight project.) -treason(Multiple occasions in the Clone Wars EU of Palpatine informing Dooku of Republic movements) And if we feel like throwing in some Nuremburg laws, we also have: -genocide (the Palpatine-ordered destruction of Caamas) -crimes against peace (the clone wars) -war crimes (enslavement of the wookies and hundreds of other sentient species, plus the extermination of several other alien species at Palpatine's order) If anything, the Empire's the terrorists. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 8/19/08 12:14am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? - Date Edited: 8/19/08 12:36am (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
	GrandAdmiral_Frank posted: It is true though. Some hate on EU but there is a story and I forget which one exactly but it is in a collection of short stories from Tales of the Empire where a captain of a tourist transport see's just this point we're talking about. She has a former love in her life who is an Imp and it's almost like in Sound of Music when the elder girl see's the boy she used to have feelings for but he is totally different because he is a brainwashed Nazi. I don't see how any of that contradicts the Empire being evil though. Good people can certainly fall under its sway due to its promises to bring order, but the Empire violates multiple liberties which are inalienable for all sentient beings. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 8/19/08 3:02am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	Master_Starwalker posted: GrandAdmiral_Frank posted: It is true though. Some hate on EU but there is a story and I forget which one exactly but it is in a collection of short stories from Tales of the Empire where a captain of a tourist transport see's just this point we're talking about. She has a former love in her life who is an Imp and it's almost like in Sound of Music when the elder girl see's the boy she used to have feelings for but he is totally different because he is a brainwashed Nazi. I don't see how any of that contradicts the Empire being evil though. Good people can certainly fall under its sway due to its promises to bring order, but the Empire violates multiple liberties which are inalienable for all sentient beings. Well there was more to it than that. I just brought up the one part with the two lovers because that's the interest point for the story and that would help jog a memory. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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Admiral_JasterMereel Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/19/08 3:23am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	GOOD POINTS, all. However, here is another view: The former Iraqi government, led by dictator Saddam Hussein was invaded by United States troops in 2003. Was THIS justified, although both the former Iraqi government and the Empire share similar characteristics? [That is all] -----signature----- "For the signifier is a unit in its very uniqueness, being by nature symbol only of an absence" - Jacques Lacan Visit ALL THE FLAIR OF A FILING CABINET @ jacobkarnas.blogspot.com
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