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jedibri Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/19/08 3:44am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	This is why both side think their right and the other is wrong. It's all point of view driven. -----signature----- Isaiah 41:13
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 8/19/08 7:53am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	For all we know Bush is secretly the next Palpatine and he allows this image of him to be portrayed as an 'American Idiot' or something when there actually will be no new President because he will become Emperor Bush. "In order to ensure security in America we shall unite it into one Texas Empire!" It all really is from a certain point of view though on a more serious note. There are ways to do things and we'll never know if it these ways are truly what we are supposed to do. This to me would apply to things like how you were raised, culture, or religion. Then there is right or wrong and that applies to anything. These can applied as easily as creating a life or taking a life. I don't care who or what you are but if you manipulate and control people and enforce it even more so with violence that is not a life you should have to live. Then again maybe I am wrong. Maybe it's all about what you yourself consider right or wrong. People over here can't understand customs in the Middle East nor they ours (I mean this mostly with the women). Yet it's all about how we were raised and what our beliefs are. Some people hold to these while others hold to others and thats fine...until one time these seperate beliefs collide. Sorry I was bouncing everywhere, to more specifically answer your question Jay, we can never know if anything in our history books is ever justified. Furthermore how much has history been altered. All we can do is base it on what we see and know via our 'sources' in the media. That may all be the truth. It may not. I don't think it was that justified but they were able to do so so who am I but a geek on a website? If I were the president I would have worried more about improving things in our own home before we went out and tried to makeover someone else's house. Maybe it's not that easy. I understand because I am a dad and my kids are like the people I have to please. But there is only so much that can be done. One wants his own room because he is older, can't do that because no cash flow for that. The other thinks he should have a DS too, he's too irresponsible. We need to maintain food and bills in the house. The older one wants to do band but he's already doing karate. Ideally to make everyone happy would be to have more at their disposal but everything comes with a price tag and so I feel that the U.S. is like me. They need to make more cash and keep everything going and so far they haven't made much progress. That I can sympathize with. However I think our own country needed help before we went and invaded someone else. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 8/19/08 4:10pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	GrandAdmiral_Frank posted: Master_Starwalker posted: GrandAdmiral_Frank posted: It is true though. Some hate on EU but there is a story and I forget which one exactly but it is in a collection of short stories from Tales of the Empire where a captain of a tourist transport see's just this point we're talking about. She has a former love in her life who is an Imp and it's almost like in Sound of Music when the elder girl see's the boy she used to have feelings for but he is totally different because he is a brainwashed Nazi. I don't see how any of that contradicts the Empire being evil though. Good people can certainly fall under its sway due to its promises to bring order, but the Empire violates multiple liberties which are inalienable for all sentient beings. Well there was more to it than that. I just brought up the one part with the two lovers because that's the interest point for the story and that would help jog a memory. Ah alright, I never read the story so I thought you just presenting that specific part of it. Admiral_JasterMereel posted: GOOD POINTS, all. However, here is another view: The former Iraqi government, led by dictator Saddam Hussein was invaded by United States troops in 2003. Was THIS justified, although both the former Iraqi government and the Empire share similar characteristics? [That is all] I wouldn't say it was justified but, I'd also say it's a flawed comparison. The Rebellion wasn't a foreign power invading the Empire, but rather an insurrection fighting for freedom, democracy, etc. I would say that an insurrection in Saddam's Iraq who was fighting for those ideals and used the tactics of the Rebels could be justified, but that wasn't us. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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Alpha-Red Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:40am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	United States Declaration of Independence posted: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.... Basically, if we're to apply this to Star Wars, it means that because the Empire is evil then it needs to be overthrown regardless of whether it is a legal government or not. Attacks by Islamic militants are carried out against governments that have not been proven to be evil. The fact that they intentionally target civilians as a means of intimidation further classifies them as terrorists and not as freedom fighters.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 3:14pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? - Date Edited: 8/20/08 3:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthBoba
	It's the fine line between "insurgent" and "terrorist". I'm sure the French, Dutch, Polish, and Yugoslavian insurgents were all considered terrorists by Nazi Germany. Also: Rebellion: Has a princess. Empire: Captures the princess. Rebellion: Rescues the princess. BAD GUYS DO NOT RESCUE PRINCESSES. That is canon. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 8/21/08 6:47am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	or they sprung a captured terrorist leader from prison, killing dozens of soldiers in the process -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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LordVader66 Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 8/21/08 9:25pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	How does al Queda justify it's attacks against the multinational forces in Iraq? Every political/military/paramilitary organization has it's share of supporters and sympathizers based simply on perception. -----signature----- Peace in the Middle East
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 8/21/08 10:44pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? Easy. How can the Seperatist movement justify their various attacks on the Republic? They are both rebel groups, who are trying to take down the government. However, they are both backed by numerous Senators who represent planets within the Galatic Senate [well up until ANH, when they disbanded the Senate] so in both defenses, they see the corruption within the current government and are aiming to rebuild it for whats good for the entire universe. But, we see in the OT that the Alliance are not granted the freedoms the Seperatists and the Trade Federation were given in the PT. The alliance were viewed as traitors, commiting treason just by keeping the order alive. We see that in Darth Vader's quote "You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor." Sometimes various figures had to be taken care of with by force, but only those who would not back down. Most of the higher ups in the Imperial Army or Government were completely corrupt. We see in the EU, like the novel Alliance, that some of the stormtroopers do not realize the ultimate corruption, and believe in the cause of the Empire- unification, justice, prosperity. But those who are corrupt are not only corrupt with greed but with power. They refuse to back down, to accept the wrong doings they have done to various worlds and species and believe they are invincible. Only then do the Rebels do what must be done. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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Qui-Gon_Reborn Title: Qui-Gon's Personal SWC Modsaber Registered: Dec '08	Date Posted: 12/27/08 3:12am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	How can the Rebel Alliance justify their various attacks on the Empire? Why don't we ask the good citizens of Alderaan. -----signature----- Twenty years ago, there was another Edward with a strange disposition and even stranger hair that the ladies swooned over. This Edward had scissors for hands, but he was much, much cooler. ------ I agree with Nat.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 12/28/08 11:47am Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	Exactly. Once the Empire blew up a whole planet of innocent people, it all became fair game. When there's full scale galatic war, the rules are thrown out the window. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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Kyle Katarn Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 1/3 4:41pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	Inter arma enim silent legis ("In times of war, the law falls silent"). This sort of issue has plagued mankind for nearly all of recorded history and it's probably no stranger to the Star Wars universe. -----signature----- The ones who love us best are the ones we'll lay to rest And visit their graves on holidays at best The ones who love us least are the ones we'll die to please If it's any consolation, I don't begin to understand them
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PoopaPapaPalpatine Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 1/3 8:50pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? - Date Edited: 1/3 8:51pm (1 edits total) Edited By: PoopaPapaPalpatine
	How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? They don't have to... They're terrorists. -----signature----- "STAR WARS is immortal."
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 1/3 9:32pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	The same way the Jedi justify their attacks on the Sith. -----signature----- "Just when you think the amount of fail cannot possibly increase, the Internet keeps on giving." - SalvorHardin "Let's see them argue with nature and persuade the nonexistent polar bears not to eat them." - crownarmourer
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 1/4 3:25pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire?
	On-screen in the original film, the Empire commits acts of atrocity against unarmed civilians, fraudulently blames others for their own murderous actions, employs torture as an unchallenged means of interrogation, and destroys an entire planet which has no weapons. These acts alone fully justify armed opposition, apart from any similar atrocities which warranted the designation "evil" in the opening scroll. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/4 6:54pm Subject: RE: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? - Date Edited: 1/4 6:55pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
	PoopaPapaPalpatine posted: How Can The Alliance Justify Their Various Attacks On The Empire? They don't have to... They're terrorists. Except we never see them do anything to inspire fear in the Imperial populace. They're revolutionaries, not terrorists. Edit: And of course, the Empire engages in state sponsored terrorism via the Destruction of Alderaan. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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