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major987 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 8/23/08 7:52am Subject: Luke jumped but knew he would survive. - Date Edited: 8/23/08 8:42am (1 edits total) Edited By: major987
	In The Empire Strikes Back when Darth Vader tells Luke that the emperor has foreseen that Luke will destroy him, Luke almost smiles and his attitude changes, he starts to get ready to jump because he knew that what vader had said was true and that if he jumps he will live to destroy the emperor......I always thought he just jumped to his death but i think George had more in site then that.
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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 8/23/08 9:03am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	It's hard to say exactly -- you may be right -- but my overriding interpretation of that scene is that Luke is throwing himself into the hands of the Force. Vader could be lying about the Emperor's foresight, after all. Luke's decision to fall, IMO, is not made with the certainty that he will survive. It's a heroic act that follows up on Luke's insistence "I'll never join you!" and shows Vader (and the audience) that Luke is courageous and destined to be a Jedi. -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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major987 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 8/23/08 9:10am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive. - Date Edited: 8/23/08 9:13am (1 edits total) Edited By: major987
	Vortigern99 posted: It's hard to say exactly -- you may be right -- but my overriding interpretation of that scene is that Luke is throwing himself into the hands of the Force. Vader could be lying about the Emperor's foresight, after all. Luke's decision to fall, IMO, is not made with the certainty that he will survive. It's a heroic act that follows up on Luke's insistence "I'll never join you!" and shows Vader (and the audience) that Luke is courageous and destined to be a Jedi. Yes this looks like the main reason he jumps, to show that he will never join the dark side, but his look as vader says it and I also Luke knew that he was vaders son, he also may have knew that what vader was telling the truth....its interesting talking about these movies you really have to ask George and see what he thought, also reading the book might give some more insight into what Luke was thinking when he jumped.
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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 8/23/08 10:01am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	Yes, I see how Luke's look at the moment before he falls could be read as "Oh yeah? Well then watch this!" -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host BC Single Pick Winner Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 8/23/08 10:05am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	I have to agree; it looked like he wanted to get out of there, regardless if he survived the fall or not. Of course, the Force was with him, but you get the idea that the fall could end up killing him (which it almost accomplishes). -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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Darth_Davi Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 8/23/08 11:26am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	If Luke had the ability to foresee his survival jumping, and be able to control his fall using the Force, despite the pain of losing his hand, then he is far stronger in the Force at that point than I previously gave him credit for. I suspect he jumps as an act of defiance, a way of saying death is preferable to the Dark side. I don't believe that he knew for certain he would live, rather that he just placed his faith in the Force, and that faith was rewarded. -----signature----- What the hell is an Aluminium Falcon? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a thermal exhaust port thats only two meters wide! It wasn't even fully paid off yet!
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 8/23/08 12:15pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	Luke was trusting the force, I think he also jumped to avoid the temptation and the call. Here's Vader telling him "I'm your father, we can work together and destroy the Emporer, we can be all powerful together." I would be tempted too. Luke holds strong though and does jump as a defiance, what else was he supposed to do? He was litterally backed up with no where else to go, he'd either have to jump or surrender himself to Vader. Maybe he knew he was going to live, because he had his destiny to fufill, or maybe he had no idea what was going to happen when he let go. In Luke's mind, it was just better then joining Vader. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 8/23/08 1:03pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	Luke would not join Vader. Luke would not turn to the dark side. Luke was ready to die if the case need be. Someone already said he was trusting himself to the Force and I can believe that too. That scene is cool but nothing can be as cool in terms of characting falling than when the Joker is laughing hysterically in The Dark Knight. Priceless. He wanted Batman to kill him. I think Palpatine's fall is pretty cool because the first time I watched it I thought it was perfect because someone so evil would probable fall down to Hell like that. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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Chico_Jedi Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 8/29/08 5:23am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	Bortigern99 posted: but my overriding interpretation of that scene is that Luke is throwing himself into the hands of the Force. That's my view of the scene as well. That's also why Luke appears to be so calm; he has taken another step to becoming a full-fledged Jedi. He is at peace and trusting in the Force. -----signature----- Caramba i carambita!
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sith_rising Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 8/29/08 8:21am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	It was suicide, just with an unexpected outcome. Kind of like putting a pistol to your head, pulling the trigger, and a winning lottery ticket pops out. -----signature----- "My mentor taught me everything about the Force, even the nature of the Dark Side"
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xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 8/29/08 9:49pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	Luke jumped, knowing he might die. But he'd had a little training by then, so he didn't give up hope. He figured with the force he might be able to do something. Otherwise I think he would have just done a non-thinking free fall. -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 8/29/08 10:24pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	Yep, Luke knew that the force would keep him alive in the end. It had nothing to do with the little side tunnel that opened up at the exact right moment, but the force allowing for it to happen convienently. Luke knew he had a destiny- both Yoda and Ben had made that clear, and I guess Luke knew that unless his head was severed off by Vader's lightsaber, he would live to complete that destiny. I mean all Jedi on screen have lived to fufill their destinies. Qui Gon found Anakin, Obi Wan trained him and introduced Luke to the force, Yoda helped Luke complete his training, Anakin balanced the force and Luke lived to re-incarnate the Jedi order. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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DarthLassic007 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 9/1/08 1:44am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	He thought that he was going to die in the SE. He was screaming. -----signature----- Veni, Vidi, Vici. - Julius Caesar
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Neon Star Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 9/3/08 7:02am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	We will not discuss the horror that is that scream. On it, really, I don't think Luke knew if he would survive or not. That smile more points to the fact that he's telling Vader that he'd rather die than be made a tool for him. His first loyality is to the rebellion, so it's likely he's accepted that he must die before he becomes a threat to what he holds dear. At that point, Luke seems borderline on his role as a Jedi, he's still more in tune with himself than with the Force. But there's no question that the Force had a hand in saving him. -----signature----- 'I pray to stay young, soon will be expired' Dying Youth, 10 Years .
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Keeper_of_Swords Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 9/4/08 9:22am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	I take it that Luke almost smiles because he feels a certain pride that he's better than a person who would join the dark side. I think he really didn't think about dying or surviving - he was more like "I don't care what happens to me as long as I don't fall to the dark side" -----signature----- The next day there came no dawn and the Grey Company passed on into the darkness of the storm of Mordor and were lost to mortal sight. But the Dead followed them.
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RedSeven Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 9/4/08 4:22pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
	I think that the reason that he smiled was that he was somewhat suicidal. He just wanted to get away from Vader, and if that meant jumping, he'd do it. After the revelation that Vader was his father, he was probably so upset that he just wanted to end his life right then and there. He was smiling because he was at his wit's end and just wanted to get away from Vader. -----signature----- May the Force be With You!
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