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Chico_Jedi  100 posts
Registered: Apr '08
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Date Posted: 9/7/08 3:34am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
Keeper_of_Swords posted:
I take it that Luke almost smiles because he feels a certain pride that he's better than a person who would join the dark side. I think he really didn't think about dying or surviving - he was more like "I don't care what happens to me as long as I don't fall to the dark side"

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

 

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KratosSky  112 posts
Registered: Aug '07
Date Posted: 9/7/08 11:31am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
Disagree, he absolutely did not know that he would live, and probaly expected to die. Having a destiny doesn't matter, Yoda and Obi already established that should Luke fail, Leia would be their last hope. Nor do i think he trusted in the force, when he was hanging by the antenna, he had a lot of problems getting trough his sister by the force, that should tell you more then enough on how weakend he was at that time. And Ben also warned Luke that he wouldn't help him.

He took the plunge, expecting to die, this is also the turning point i believe for Vader, on the commentary Lucas states that Vader wanted to use his son, he sees his son as another way(tool) to take the throne from Sidious. When Luke jumps, making it clear that he would never join Vader, and would rather die then join him in the darkside, it perhaps started to make Vader think on how far he has fallen, you can see that he never expected Luke to do that, he even states holding out his hand, that this is the only way.
Luke for his part, was very brave and took a large step in his jedi training, i love that look of acceptence on his face before he lets go.

 

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JediMaster_Jen  1795 posts
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Date Posted: 9/7/08 11:46am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
I think he took the jump fully expecting that he was going to die, and accepting that outcome. Yes, he trusted the Force, but he was willing to do anything, even die, to avoid joining Vader and becoming like him.

 

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princesleiaorgana7 
Registered: Feb '07
41721_Leia and Luke
Date Posted: 9/9/08 9:35am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
Darth_Davi posted:
If Luke had the ability to foresee his survival jumping, and be able to control his fall using the Force, despite the pain of losing his hand, then he is far stronger in the Force at that point than I previously gave him credit for. I suspect he jumps as an act of defiance, a way of saying death is preferable to the Dark side. I don't believe that he knew for certain he would live, rather that he just placed his faith in the Force, and that faith was rewarded.



But remember Yoda had said just before he gone of to help Hans and Leia that the future is always in motion. Therefore Luke couldn't have known for sure if he would survive, even if he foresaw it.

 

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darth_degnan  159 posts
Registered: Sep '08
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Date Posted: 9/16/08 10:29pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
major987 posted:
In The Empire Strikes Back when Darth Vader tells Luke that the emperor has foreseen that Luke will destroy him, Luke almost smiles and his attitude changes, he starts to get ready to jump because he knew that what vader had said was true and that if he jumps he will live to destroy the emperor......I always thought he just jumped to his death but i think George had more in site then that.


I think he realized where he was, and that if he fell, the room's design would save him. If the whole area is a garbage chute, it probably pulls whatever is falling towards the exit, so no matter what angle you fall from, you always end up in once of those exits.

 

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eht13  651 posts
Registered: Sep '07
Date Posted: 10/6/08 1:48pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
DarthLassic007 posted:
He thought that he was going to die in the SE. He was screaming. tongue



Yes, and thankfully they removed that scream for the subsequent 2004 DVD release and onward. I hated the addition of that scream and actually considered it to be as bad as the "Greedo shooting first" thing, because it affected Luke's character just like the Greedo thing affected Han's. As others have said, I think Luke made a concious decision to take a chance at dying rather than to give himself to Vader and the dark side. He looks back and forth between Vader and the drop below him before obviously letting go intentionally. He may have thought the Force could save him, but he definitely wasn't counting on it. And by adding that scream, to me it seemed to make it look like he was scared and had fallen by accident. That would negate the brave decision that Luke had made, because they were "softening things up" in general and didn't want his character to seem suicidal.

On another note about changes made to the OT, here's a really random one that I've noticed and wondered why they bothered... when R2-D2 gets spit out by the swamp monster on Dagobah, Luke used to say, "you're lucky you don't taste very good." Now he says, "you were lucky to get out of there."

 

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DARTH_BELO  753 posts
Registered: Nov '03
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Date Posted: 10/15/08 8:00pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
I hated the scream...dont know WHY they did that...

But I just figured Luke KNEW (was taught) he could use the force to guide his fall so he would fall in the right place, and wouldn't die...it echoes back to the Coruscant speeder chase in AOTC...I like that.

 

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princesleiaorgana7 
Registered: Feb '07
41721_Leia and Luke
Date Posted: 12/30/08 11:18am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
I think that Luke was unsure of his fate but he TRUSTED the Force to take care of him. He probably also was thinking "Hey if I kill myself than I don't half to worry about killing my dad anymore." Cause at that time I think he could already sense the good in him. Therefore, besides the fact that Vader was his dad, he didn't want to kill him and probably was hoping that by falling he could get out of there with neither of them getting killed.

 

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_Sublime_Skywalker_  3874 posts
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Date Posted: 1/1 9:33pm Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
Yeah, Luke trusted the will of the force. If this was his place to die, he'd die. If he was to redeem Vader and help destroy the Emporer, he'd live. That simple.

 

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ILuvJarJar  1394 posts
Registered: Oct '08
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Date Posted: 1/2 10:19am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
major987 posted:
In The Empire Strikes Back when Darth Vader tells Luke that the emperor has foreseen that Luke will destroy him, Luke almost smiles and his attitude changes, he starts to get ready to jump because he knew that what vader had said was true and that if he jumps he will live to destroy the emperor......I always thought he just jumped to his death but i think George had more in site then that.



Ditto.

 

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princesleiaorgana7 
Registered: Feb '07
41721_Leia and Luke
Date Posted: 1/2 10:37am Subject: RE: Luke jumped but knew he would survive.
_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
Yeah, Luke trusted the will of the force. If this was his place to die, he'd die. If he was to redeem Vader and help destroy the Emporer, he'd live. That simple.


Thats what it is I am sure. I mean he knew that if he died their somehow would be another Jedi.

 

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HellasLEAF-Jedi  58 posts
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Date Posted: 4/25 9:40pm Subject: Luke jumped but knew he would survive. - Date Edited: 4/25 9:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: HellasLEAF-Jedi
KratosSky posted:
Disagree, he absolutely did not know that he would live, and probaly expected to die. Having a destiny doesn't matter, Yoda and Obi already established that should Luke fail, Leia would be their last hope. Nor do i think he trusted in the force, when he was hanging by the antenna, he had a lot of problems getting trough his sister by the force, that should tell you more then enough on how weakend he was at that time. And Ben also warned Luke that he wouldn't help him.

He took the plunge, expecting to die, this is also the turning point i believe for Vader, on the commentary Lucas states that Vader wanted to use his son, he sees his son as another way(tool) to take the throne from Sidious. When Luke jumps, making it clear that he would never join Vader, and would rather die then join him in the darkside, it perhaps started to make Vader think on how far he has fallen, you can see that he never expected Luke to do that, he even states holding out his hand, that this is the only way.
Luke for his part, was very brave and took a large step in his jedi training, i love that look of acceptence on his face before he lets go.


great post and I totally agree. Luke had lost the lightsaber battle and had just had his hand sliced off. he had inched out to the edge of a precipice. there was no other way to turn, there was no battle left for him, and Vader makes the statement "it's the only way". Luke basically decided that his fate would not be handed to Vader and the dark side but that he would make the decision, Emporer be damned. better for him to fall and live or die with that decision than to hand himself over to Vader as it would only strengthen the empire. Him surviving is on luck and on basically Lucas writing it that he couldn't die at this moment.

 

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