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DuracellEnergizer Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/30 5:21pm Subject: Return of The Jedi
	My favourite part of ROTJ has to be the whole Luke-Vader conflict. Though the idea that Vader still had some good in him could have been explored a bit more, I was pleased with it. And let's not forget Luke's green saber. First time a new saber colour was revealed in any SW material. -----signature----- Episode I Reimagined : The Beginning http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30317264/p1/?1 ======================================= If KOTOR was any good, it'd be a book.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 6/30 6:43pm Subject: Return of The Jedi
	Hernalt posted: TPM had a space battle? I recall no foreshadowing of the physical pathway to victory (as in ANH and ROTJ), no throw-away radio-modulated chatter in the fog of war, no individual dogfights, no enemy flying ace, no living enemy combatant whatsoever, no dialogue with high quotability, no sustained close-ups of anonymous yet undeniably human and inextricably unique faces being showered in sparks of oblivion, no eternal marriage of score and visuals as the physical trappings and crutches of the hero are each individually sheared away in a hail of green plasma, revealing beneath this crude matter the luminous being of the potent will. The CGI integration with physical models, however, was very good. But whatever soul the TPM 'space battle' possesses is on loan at high interest from DOTF and Darth Maul. I was solely referring to special effects. And yes, that pun was intended. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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Hernalt Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 7/2 5:18am Subject: Return of The Jedi - Date Edited: 7/2 5:26am (3 edits total) Edited By: Hernalt
	Upon closer inspection... ROTS: I'll revise my words slightly regarding the restraint of the CGI. The ROTS space battle begins promisingly with good score and establishing shot. The idea of a single-take beauty shot is artistically interesting but it falls down _somewhat_ because of the CGI's cloying 3-D engine fetishization of the two Jedi fighters. ROTJ intercuts to quality vignettes that are well-framed, short, sweet, with a judicious blend of cockpit shots and battle chatter, and does not fetishize any one individual craft. ROTS uses missiles. The core concept of an automated, target-seeking missile is that it delivers maximum destruction for minimum investment in parts and labor. Missiles and guided bombs (and their logical exponents Raptor and Predator drones) are the quintessence of military expedience. The Empire of the original trilogy is entirely about military expedience, so I can imagine no valid in-universe explanation to explain the absence of missile technology in the original trilogy. I can, however, sadly realize the thematic utility of having target-seeking missiles in a Star Wars film, whose previous incarnations had used an analogue of a white knight on white horse with red lance vs black knight on black horse with green lance: 2003 to 2005 was the height of the Iraq and IED terrorism apocalypse scare - what better way to connect with current events than to underscore the idea of death from below. ROTJ has one consistent exponent of military expedience run amuck, the death star super laser. This was a Cold War era doomsday device analogue, sans fall out. Good times. ROTS does small things with big CGI technology. While it is thematically valid to speculate that the droid armies of the Trade Federation would fill out a large spectrum of sizes and capabilities, the narrative function of the buzz-droid is primarily an expository (but CGI) prop to give the married couple, Anakin and Obi-Wan, something about which to dither, banter, and quip. ROTJ does big things with small ships - like the attack on the Executor's shield generator, the A-wing crashing through the Executor's screen. ROTS does in fairness at least give the actors their own physical cockpit, physically palpable turbulence effect, and shifting light source to imply maneuver, and so a handful of Anakin's lines _do_ escape the green oblivion of the Death Screen. Despite his laudable Scottishness, not all of McGregor's do. ROTJ, ESB and ANH cockpit shots include all the former physical helps but also cocoon the pilots in historical or highly compelling flight suits. When you see an Alliance pilot go up in decoupled hadrons, you at least know that they did not think it was a big game, or were not having fun up till that point, and that is the critical ingredient for empathy. ROTS: This scene continues with decent scoring that uses classic quotes, but it is not closely integrated with narrative momentum or turning points (narrative acceleration), as there is little, and are none. ROTJ: No main original character participates in the space battle, and any of the participants, from Wedge to Lando to Akbar, can go at any second. The score is tightly integrated with this uncertainty.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 7/3 10:27am Subject: Return of The Jedi
	Fair enough. Let's not turn this into an OT vs. PT thread, though. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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