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black_saber Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 10/30/08 1:40pm Subject: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	I mean I know Luke would have died and the Empire would still be around but what would happen if Vader never returned from the Darkside. -----signature----- "Just when I thought I was out , they push me back in." I never liked micheal Jackson and he was always a looney.
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 10/30/08 2:15pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	black_saber posted: I mean I know Luke would have died and the Empire would still be around but what would happen if Vader never returned from the Darkside. Well, as you said Luke would have died, because presumably the Emperor would have finished killing him with dark side lightning. Then the Emperor and Vader would have stood there for a few uncomfortable minutes before being killed when the Death Star was successfully blown up by the rebels. Remember, Luke's attempt to turn Vader was successful when Vader redeemed himself and killed the Emperor, thus dying in the process... but the attack on the Death Star would have been successful anyway; it wasn't dependent on what was going on inside.
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 10/30/08 4:00pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	That or it would have set off a chain reaction of events to favor the darkside, some TIEs would get lucky and take out Lando and Wedge. Endor destroyed by the Death Star taking out everyone there and then the Rebel Fleet being wiped out. It's also possible that Vader could have killed Palpatine after realizing he just let his son die. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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DarthDuckie Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 10/30/08 8:24pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	Luke, Sidious and Vader would all have died and the destruction of the Sith and subsequent bringing of balance to the Force would've been rightly attributed to the true Chosen One, Admiral Ackbar!
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 10/31/08 10:47am Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	Darth Vader would've went ape **** that his son, and his candidate for new apprentice, was just killed by his master. He'd go all darkside and either kill Palpataine or fail miserably and get killed himself. I'm gonna say he would've died, seeing as he was beat down by Luke previously. So then the Emporer would probably try to escape. But, in order to finish the movie he'd die when the DS was blown up. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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Daft-Vader Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 11/1/08 11:42am Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	Personally, I see since the he was redeemed by his love for Luke, Vader would basically not care about Luke anymore - So Luke probably would have been killed by Vader who would unleash his full suited potential (not holding back against Luke) from the start. He would probably then kill Sidious as Sith do, then escape - I seriously doubt that the Throne room doesn't have a escape pod somewhere, and take control of the Empire, and look for a new apprentice -----signature----- "Do you think he came out of the womb wearing a breather and black helmet?" Luke S. Official Coolian & JC Musketeer Vote Lando Calrissian for Galactic President/Gummy for President Propaganda Minister and LORD of the SWC Empire; Senator for Mustafar
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 11/1/08 11:45am Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	I got your escape pod right here. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Daft-Vader Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 11/1/08 11:58am Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	Han Solo posted: I bet you have... Exactly - there was enough time for Luke to drag Darth Vader all the way to a shuttle, have vader tell Luke he was right, and escape. there is no way Vader and/or Sidious would just sit there and wait for the big bang: Vader: There rebels have destroyed the Main Reactor Sidious: They have, that's a shame, I'll miss Cooking on Rodia now... *Boom* If Vader was never redeemed, basically the Rebels were dead, and the Jedi Prophecy really was misunderstood -----signature----- "Do you think he came out of the womb wearing a breather and black helmet?" Luke S. Official Coolian & JC Musketeer Vote Lando Calrissian for Galactic President/Gummy for President Propaganda Minister and LORD of the SWC Empire; Senator for Mustafar
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/1/08 12:18pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	True... I accidentally left out the possibility of a shuttle escape. But I'm not sure Palpatine would have believed that the rebels could have gotten the shield down and managed a daring attack inside the Death Star like they did; the chain reaction was slower than the first Death Star, but maybe not slow enough. But maybe he would have started thinking about evacuating the Death Star anyway just in case after the Executor crashed into it.
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nancyallen Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 11/1/08 3:37pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	This does bring up something very clever...Luke actually achieves nothing. As herculean as his efforts were twice now his efforts were in vain, for lack of a better word. Had he chosen to stay on Dagobah in ESB, or remain on Endor with the Rebels, nothing would have changed. -----signature----- There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your science. http://www.tektonics.org/af/fundyath.html
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DRush76 Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 11/1/08 7:52pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	Then the Emperor and Vader would have stood there for a few uncomfortable minutes before being killed when the Death Star was successfully blown up by the rebels. Lando and Wedge had struck the Death Star while Luke and Vader were still aboard. If Luke had died, Vader and the Emperor would have been able to escape via a shuttle . . . like Luke eventually did.
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/1/08 7:58pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	DRush76 posted: Lando and Wedge had struck the Death Star while Luke and Vader were still aboard. If Luke had died, Vader and the Emperor would have been able to escape via a shuttle . . . like Luke eventually did. Please see my more recent post above, which added to the original.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 11/1/08 9:01pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	DRush76 posted: Then the Emperor and Vader would have stood there for a few uncomfortable minutes before being killed when the Death Star was successfully blown up by the rebels. Lando and Wedge had struck the Death Star while Luke and Vader were still aboard. If Luke had died, Vader and the Emperor would have been able to escape via a shuttle . . . like Luke eventually did. I think they'd still die. First off, Luke's just killed after Palpataine was urging Luke to betray his father, kill him, and then join his side. Darth Vader isn't just going to let that go, whether he's the obedient apprentice or not. Second, the Emporer's overconfidence is his weakness, he wouldn't believe for a second that the Rebels would be able to inflitrate the DS and blow it up under his watch. He'd probably send another force out to try and tackle them, and watch from the throne room. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 11/1/08 9:14pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed. - Date Edited: 11/1/08 9:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	He'd sense the imminent destruction through the Force. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/3/08 2:18pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	Arawn_Fenn posted: He'd sense the imminent destruction through the Force. But how imminent? He would have to sense it early enough to have time to evacuate. The Executor crashed into the Death Star not long at all after he died, and then the chain reaction shots fired by the Falcon and a fighter that finished it off were soon after that. As I said, I doubt he would have believed that the rebels could have done any of that or gotten the shields down in the first place... just like he didn't expect Vader to turn on him. As Luke said, his overconfidence was his weakness.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 11/3/08 2:56pm Subject: RE: What would happen if Vader was never Redeemed.
	He'd have the time, and he wouldn't be dragging Vader, so that would give him even more time. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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