drg4 posted:In essence, Luke sees good in his rotter of a father because he's an Amidala. Amidalas, you see, possess the uncanny ability to look past nasty little transgressions like child slaughter, cosmocide, and hand-severings. Amidalas are really obnoxious people.
To put it in perspective, let's imagine that the United States and its allies managed to capture Adolf Hitler at the end of the Second World War, putting him on trial for war crimes. The prosecution spends months listing all the horrors done at his behest. Then it is the turn of Hitler's defense attorney, who rises and utters just one sentence: "But, your honors ... Adolf did save the life of his own son!" Gasp! The prosecutors blanch in chagrin. "We didn't know that! Of course all charges should be dismissed at once!" The allies then throw a big parade for Hitler, down the avenues of Nuremberg. It may sound silly, but that's exactly the lesson taught by "Return of the Jedi," wherein Darth Vader is forgiven all his sins, because he saved the life of his own son.
rsterling78 posted: It may sound silly, but that's exactly the lesson taught by "Return of the Jedi," wherein Darth Vader is forgiven all his sins, because he saved the life of his own son.
LawJedi posted:Well, Vader had been acting pretty passive aggressive since finding out that he had a son. It's been pointed out in the past that Vader never seems to choke any rebels in ESB or ROTJ. As the saga progresses, his Force choking seems to be focused on his own servants. It almost suggests that he's choking them out of disgust for the Empire, rather than just punishment for failure. Not so much an act of good, but a sign that he's disgusted with his own role in this whole affair.
LawJedi posted:There are no instances of Vader mistreating the rebels after ANH. Yes, he tortures Han. Couldn't you argue that this was to tempt Luke?
LawJedi posted:Mistreatment, sure. But he's not treating them like Captain Antilles. He didn't even choke out Leia when Luke arrived. He stopped Boba from shooting Chewie and Threepio. What does he care?
LawJedi posted:Then there's his foregiveness of Piett. He seems to genuinely like this guy, unlike the other Imperial knuckleheads. Face it, he's gone soft. Anyone could see it.
Eternity85 posted:Lucas himself said that Anakin/Vader isnt forgiven for all the evil he has done, but when he saves Luke he does stop the horror, and then he redeem himself in the eyes of his son. Thats it, he will never be forgiven, but he did put an end to evil.
celera posted:drg4 posted:In essence, Luke sees good in his rotter of a father because he's an Amidala. Amidalas, you see, possess the uncanny ability to look past nasty little transgressions like child slaughter, cosmocide, and hand-severings. Amidalas are really obnoxious people. LMAO!!! But you forgot to include attempted murder. Padme was able to forgive Anakin despite the fact that he choked her. It's easy to see why Luke was able forgive Mara for trying to kill him. I just read Dark Force Rising again, when Han is thinking about Luke saving Mara's life after the Katana battle, he speculated that it must have been a Jedi thing he didn't understand. No Han, that was an Amidala thing.