Author Topic: Did Luke use force choke?
princesleiaorgana7 
Registered: Feb '07
41721_Leia and Luke
Date Posted: 1/2 10:42am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Lexi posted:
I think it is used to show how close to the Dark Side Luke really was. He shows up at Jabba's palace all dressed in black and uses the Force choke. But one big different is that he didn't use it to kill the gamorrean guard, just to disable him.


I agree with everything but the Dark Side part. I think thay did that to make you think that Luke was going over to the Dark Side.

 

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JediLight  1035 posts
Registered: May '01
46304_The Clone Wars
Date Posted: 1/2 11:47am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Luke tried to always do the right thing.

So did Anakin, but a wise old man wore him down after 10 years.

 

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BurlBird 
Registered: Jan '09
6428_Luke Mini
Date Posted: 1/15 8:33am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Yeah, that's a Force Choke alright! happy

Really, I never got the impression there is anything wrong with choking somebody with your telekinetic abilities, as long as you don't kill him! By that logic, Darth Vader didn't use a Dark Side Power on Motti in ANH because he released him!...

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Registered: Sep '03
47761_Darth Millenial
Date Posted: 1/15 9:23am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Qui-Gon_Reborn posted:
Arawn_Fenn posted:
The dark side is a part of the Force, canonically growing in strength by the time of AOTC. Lightning, as an example, is a dark side power no matter what you use it for.


Really? Plo Koon didn't feel as such.


Koon was wrong, as Luke discovers in the NJO through Dark Nest.

 

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nancyallen  1674 posts
Registered: Nov '07
42009_Mira
Date Posted: 1/17 3:33pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
halibut posted:
Luke implanted a naked image of Cher into their brains. The guards' reaction is simply them trying not to vomit.


ROFLZ

I've seen this topic tossed up from time to time. I think it shows not only how Luke was very much in danger of falling but how he takes a...what's his view of the Force called? How it's not the Force powers, it's how you use them, how they're not inherently light or dark but are used for light or dark.

 

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skywalkerz  79 posts
Registered: Nov '05
Date Posted: 1/17 10:50pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Come to think of it, he did.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 1/17 11:15pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke? - Date Edited: 1/17 11:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
nancyallen posted:
halibut posted:
Luke implanted a naked image of Cher into their brains. The guards' reaction is simply them trying not to vomit.


ROFLZ

I've seen this topic tossed up from time to time. I think it shows not only how Luke was very much in danger of falling but how he takes a...what's his view of the Force called? How it's not the Force powers, it's how you use them, how they're not inherently light or dark but are used for light or dark.


The Potentium, which Luke later recants and has been revealed to have been a Sith created heresy.

Edit: Also, he didn't believe in the Potentium until decades after RotJ.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10400 posts
Registered: Jul '04
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Date Posted: 1/18 10:16am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
I thought Leor Hal created the Potentium movement.

 

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DuracellEnergizer  368 posts
Registered: Apr '09
14798_Luke Skywalker
Date Posted: 4/23 6:20pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
Yes, I think it was Force choke.

And no, I don't think it's a dark side move per sey; how it's used and how severe the victim is choked should determine wether or not it's of the dark side.

 

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HellasLEAF-Jedi  58 posts
Registered: Apr '09
40081_Anakin Skywalker
Date Posted: 4/25 4:16pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
DarthBoba posted:
It's also symbolic of Luke's determination, and progression in his training.

In ANH he's all in white, an idealistic young man who simply wants to help people.

In TESB he's becoming conflicted; what seemed like a fairly simple world is now a whole lot more complex. He wears grey.

And, finally, in ROTJ, Luke has decided what he wants, and wears solid black to represent that he's made up his mind and means business.


wow very true. I definitely got the imagery in ROTJ but never thought about it as a progression through the 3 films.

 

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Palp_Faction  689 posts
Registered: Feb '02
6026_Palpatine
Date Posted: 5/1 5:58pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
He was using the dark side. Luke was slipping down that path. He then blew up Jabba's sail barge after he'd defeated all the guards, killing Jabba's unarmed entourage and even the live band!

 

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Black-Tiger  464 posts
Registered: Nov '08
13617_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 5/3 6:16am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
The "Force Choke"....Since when did "The Grip" start being called "Force Choke"? confused

 

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clrobins6r 
Registered: May '09
20240_Anakin
Date Posted: 5/15 8:02pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
I'm interested that no one stated that Anakin used force choke on Padme in ROTS and I'm sure that Obi or Yoda did not teach him that. I also doubt that Sid had time to teach him before sending him out to kill all jedi.

Some abilities are learned and some are likely inherent and just 'come' to the jedi/sith. Is it really all that different from push or pull?

 

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DARTH_BELO  754 posts
Registered: Nov '03
6963_Death Star
Date Posted: 5/16 9:42pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
I actually thought Luke was putting the guards to SLEEP. I always thought that was a more "Jedi" approach, rather than choking. You know, less aggressive... wink

 

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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon  7522 posts
Registered: Dec '00
17824_Kieran Halcyon
Date Posted: 5/17 2:40am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
1. Names like "Force Choke" and "Force Lighting" are useful in video games where you need a way to equate button x with effect y, but I think they're really silly outside of that context.

2. Honestly, I don't think using the Force to disable one's opponents by temporarily choking them is any worse than using the Force to knock one's opponents unconscious.

3. There's a big difference between choking someone to torture and/or kill them (ala Vader) and doing it to defend yourself (ala Luke).

Regardless of what non-film canon sources might say about choking and lightning being intrinsically 'dark-side', as it plays out in the films there's nothing that suggests to me that Luke's choking of the guards is a use of the dark side.

 

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