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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 5/17 6:51am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: 1. Names like "Force Choke" and "Force Lighting" are useful in video games where you need a way to equate button x with effect y, but I think they're really silly outside of that context. As far as I know "Force Lightning" has always been called "Force Lightning", but "Force Choke" was originally called "The Grip".
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/17 9:27am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: 2. Honestly, I don't think using the Force to disable one's opponents by temporarily choking them is any worse than using the Force to knock one's opponents unconscious. Some powers require use of the dark side of the Force regardless of whether their effects are any worse. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: Regardless of what non-film canon sources might say about choking and lightning being intrinsically 'dark-side', as it plays out in the films there's nothing that suggests to me that Luke's choking of the guards is a use of the dark side. The films do suggest that lightning is a use of the dark side, however. Choke seems to be "dark side" in the sense of being generally associated with Sithy behavior but is probably just an application of kinesis. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/17 4:50pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Force lightning is referred to in canon sources as a Sith power, a dark side power, evil lightning, Palpatine's hate, and a corruption of the Force. It's also called Sith lightning. I thought the dark side itself was a corruption of the Force, like cancer. As for the Potentium, I think we can all agree after watching ROTS that the Potentium's bunk.
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Darth_Naveu Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/18 3:14pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	The Force choke isn't a Dark Side move. It's just used by Sith Lords waaaaay more than Jedi. So yeah, he did use the Force choke. -----signature----- "What's the difference between an AT-AT and a stormtrooper on foot?" "One's an Imperial walker, and the other's a walking Imperial!" -Jacen Solo
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/18 11:29pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Darth_Naveu posted: The Force choke isn't a Dark Side move. It's just used by Sith Lords waaaaay more than Jedi. So yeah, he did use the Force choke. I think it's made clear that using the Force to harm others is always a dark side move.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 5/19 12:15am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	DarthIktomi posted: Darth_Naveu posted: The Force choke isn't a Dark Side move. It's just used by Sith Lords waaaaay more than Jedi. So yeah, he did use the Force choke. I think it's made clear that using the Force to harm others is always a dark side move. So when Yoda knocks out those two guards in Palpatine's office it's a dark side move? When Obi-Wan and Luke use the Force to grab their lightsabers and attack Maul/the Wampa, those are dark side moves? -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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DeadOrAlive Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/19 1:02am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Palp_Faction posted: He was using the dark side. Luke was slipping down that path. He then blew up Jabba's sail barge after he'd defeated all the guards, killing Jabba's unarmed entourage and even the live band! Really, what was up with that? Did he have to blow up the friggin sail barge? Jabba was already dead. Did Sy Snootles, Max Rebo and the rest of the muppets gang deserve to die!? I don't think so!
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Dark--Helmet Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 5/19 4:05am Subject: Did Luke use force choke? - Date Edited: 5/19 4:15am (2 edits total) Edited By: Dark--Helmet
	No,that's trying to add depth where there is none.That whole crew that follows Jabba(a crime lord) around are bad guys.Jabba surrounds himself with scum(O NO! the guy who captured Han),that's why everybody is laughing(even the band) and having a good ol time while Jabba kills people and holds them prisoner.SW has always been pretty B&W,a Good vs Evil story,that's why the clerks conversation never makes sense,there where no independent contractors on the DS II.Everybody on the Station was evil. Both are heroic moments all the characters killed are symbols of evil. I was always under the impression that Luke just KO'ed the Guards as we don't get them keeling over and dying like in previous movies and Luke's hand stayed open while he did it,unlike Vader who had a clinched fist when he killed someone. -----signature----- TheForce.net where your opinion and honest reaction to something isn't really how you feel it's just your lack of understanding and hatred of George Lucas.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/19 9:13am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	DarthIktomi posted: I think it's made clear that using the Force to harm others is always a dark side move. So why do we celebrate when Luke blows all those people up in A New Hope? -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/19 4:10pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: So why do we celebrate when Luke blows all those people up in A New Hope? Appropriate use of force. Of course, that still doesn't explain Yoda and those guards. Then again, it wasn't like the OJO were all that innocent throughout the PT. (You can't convince me raising a clone army isn't the dark side.)
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Dark--Helmet Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 5/19 10:56pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	I don't think theres anything to explain.Yoda knocked the guards out instead of needlessly killing them. I don't see the problem wth the Jedi taking control of a rogue direction less army ordered by I'm guessing was an evil man(Palp).The clones following the jedi was better than following the Sith.The clones are more or less drafted,everybody has to pitch in to help beat the Sith. Intention is everything,the movies make it clear,the Jedi use there powers and the clone troopers for good to defend the republic and it free society.The Sith use there powers and clone troopers for evil,to seek revenge to oppress and kill. -----signature----- TheForce.net where your opinion and honest reaction to something isn't really how you feel it's just your lack of understanding and hatred of George Lucas.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/20 7:52am Subject: Did Luke use force choke? - Date Edited: 5/20 7:55am (2 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	DarthIktomi posted: Appropriate use of force. So, in fact, using the Force to harm others is not automatically dark side ( as the end of TPM also demonstrates ). DarthIktomi posted: Of course, that still doesn't explain Yoda and those guards. Why not? That is a contradiction. And who decides what is "appropriate"? -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 5/20 8:32am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Dark--Helmet posted: I don't think theres anything to explain.Yoda knocked the guards out instead of needlessly killing them. Exactly. And if you watch closely, the guards are just starting to turn towards Yoda, presumably to take some sort of action against him (they obviously know who and what he is); they are not just standing there. It's the same scenario with Jabba's guards and Luke; they had been told who he is, and he used the Force to prevent them from taking action against him. In his case, he may have used Force choke, but only just enough to knock them out. They certainly don't seem to be dead afterwards, and he didn't keep choking them the way Vader did to various people.
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/20 10:32am Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Why not? That is a contradiction. And who decides what is "appropriate"? In any courtroom with a jury not hand-picked by Palpatine (Then again, his Hand has a thing for Luke, so...), what Luke did would be considered justifiable homicide. OTOH, in ROTJ, Luke wasn't even attacked before he choked them.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/21 8:37am Subject: Did Luke use force choke? - Date Edited: 5/21 8:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	DarthIktomi posted: In any courtroom with a jury not hand-picked by Palpatine (Then again, his Hand has a thing for Luke, so...), what Luke did would be considered justifiable homicide. So I guess that means you've abandoned your position that using the Force to cause harm is "always" DS? DarthIktomi posted: OTOH, in ROTJ, Luke wasn't even attacked before he choked them. eht13 posted: And if you watch closely, the guards are just starting to turn towards Yoda, presumably to take some sort of action against him (they obviously know who and what he is); they are not just standing there. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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