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jedibri Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 1/16 6:46am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	If Luke is anakin's offspring then how is it he had no knowledge of the Force? I mean come on. It's in his dna. Even if he was far removed from his Father and sister he should have had some ideal he was different. Thoughts? -----signature----- Isaiah 41:13
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/16 7:18am Subject: RE: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it?????? - Date Edited: 1/16 7:20am (1 edits total) Edited By: TwiLekJedi
	You know how dismissive Owen is about the whole Jedi thing, so even if he brought it up, the answer he got was probably "it's nothing, now go clean out the garage". In some story, can't remember which one, there was a bit about how he found a hydrospanner or something purely by "intuition", i.e. the Force. So he did notice something. Until Ben explained it to him, however, he couldn't know what it was - or if it even was universal. More prominently, his T-16 piloting was evidence of it, though there he simply attributed it to skill. edit: if anything, you should ask about Leia - I'm pretty sure Bail would have told her of the Jedi -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 1/16 9:39am Subject: RE: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Being a fast runner can be in your DNA too, but if you have no knowledge of it or you're constantly forbidden from running then you're not going to be able to become well aware of it. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/16 9:59am Subject: RE: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	But it's bound to come up at some point, at least that's implied every now and again. My bad analogy was going to be language You have the ability to learn it, doesn't mean you know about the details of morphosyntax if nobody tells you. -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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Daft-Vader Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 1/16 12:57pm Subject: RE: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Does Anakin know about the Force though before he leaves for Coruscant? The Jedi are known across the Galaxy, Luke knew about the Jedi, I think. The Force, however, to most is some hokey religion, and on Tatooine, where the Jedi rarely came calling, probably not mentioned much, if at all. Besides, Luke was showing his skill with the Force: Biggs: Luke is the best Pilot in the Outer Rim Territories -----signature----- "Do you think he came out of the womb wearing a breather and black helmet?" Luke S. Official Coolian & JC Musketeer Vote Lando Calrissian for Galactic President/Gummy for President Propaganda Minister and LORD of the SWC Empire; Senator for Mustafar
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Jarren_Lee-Saber Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 1/17 1:52am Subject: RE: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	niether Anakin or Luke realised that thier piloting skills & intuition & stuff were teh Force, cause they did not know about it. -----signature----- There is a branch of the Force that is more powerful than the Dark side & more pure than the Light. -It is the Force of Love
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rich-narco Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/17 1:15pm Subject: RE: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	"..bullseye wamp rats in his t16 back home"....
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/25 9:31pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	nah, I agree with the thread maker. it's a bit of a plot hole on Lucas' part how oblivious Luke is to his own powers (he's not a kid like Anikan, even so...). and the Jedi and the Force more specifically is made out to be 'some hokey religion' which is another plot hole from Lucas. It's not, as the Jedi and the power of the force is a well know and infamous phenomenon throughout the history of that galaxy. Look I don't blame him for a miss step here or there, because it's almost impossible to have to retro-actively think about how each line of speech or how each story point may affect any moves made about the Prequels years in the future. I mean there was no guarantee of even a 2nd film. but I mean, it really wasn't all that long ago that one of the most momentus occasions in that galaxies history (order 66) and all the struggle before and after involving Jedi, the Sith and the Force had taken place and yes even in the outer rim they would know all about it. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 4/26 10:26am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Granted, there could have been a few more lines that Luke suspected that there is something different about him, if the whole piloting stuff isn't enough, despite the clear parallels to his Jedi father happening to be the best pilot in the galaxy... BUT the existence of only very few hints don't make it a plot hole. He isn't an X-Men who inadvertently almost kills his girlfriend or something. He possesses the potential to communicate with a mysterious energy field. Technically, you could argue that his strong will to leave Tatooine could be more than just teenage impulses, and instead be him listening to the will of the Force. And the hokey religion is the Jedi, not the Force. Big difference. How well known either of them is is very debatable and it certainly isn't understood, if even believed, by most non-Force-using people in the galaxy. And even if (or especially when) they believe the Force is real, the Jedi were still viewed as an elitist bunch of reclusives who know nothing about real life. Nevermind that Palpatine blamed them for the war and helped the 'hokey religion' image in the past 20 years. Not a plot hole. A big, if subtle, plot point, in fact. -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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halibut Title: FF GSA & FF-UK RSA / Saga Mod Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 4/26 10:53am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	I find it more hard to believe that the name "Anakin Skywalker" is not well known throughout the galaxy. Also, Luke is a racer and a pilot. Surely he'd know that a certain Anakin Skywalker was the first human to win the Boonta Eve Classic on his home planet. Anakin was a great pilot. Luke is a great pilot. They share a surname.... -----signature----- They are not "songs", they are "tracks" or "cues" ROTJ - "It has a nice mix of muppets and patricide that you don't see very often" - Darthboba Everybody knows that the bird is the word!
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/26 1:00pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it?????? - Date Edited: 4/26 1:02pm (1 edits total) Edited By: HellasLEAF-Jedi
	TwiLekJedi posted: BUT the existence of only very few hints don't make it a plot hole. He isn't an X-Men who inadvertently almost kills his girlfriend or something. He possesses the potential to communicate with a mysterious energy field. maybe plot hole wasn't the correct phrasing. more like inconsistencies. [quote]And the hokey religion is the Jedi, not the Force. Big difference. How well known either of them is is very debatable and it certainly isn't understood, if even believed, by most non-Force-using people in the galaxy. And even if (or especially when) they believe the Force is real, the Jedi were still viewed as an elitist bunch of reclusives who know nothing about real life. [/quote] I disagree here. It's not really debatable at all who they were and especially what or who Jedi were and the power of the force. Barely 20 years ago (about how long Luke has been alive) the Jedi were a powerful, prominent and well known order throughout the galaxy. They had their own high council on Coruscant which is seen as the heart of that galaxy and wielded much power and influence over galactic matters. Heck, even 2 Sith were commanding the current empire, with Vader's powers having become legendary to that point as he helped the Emperor hunt down remaining Jedi. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 4/26 2:02pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	It's not debatable who they were, it's debatable how much regular people knew and what they thought of the little they did know. You're right that the galaxy at large should know better if they knew the Jedi as well as we, the audience, do. But they don't. The only real contact we see is when some woman gets her arm chopped off in a bar and some 20-year-old barks at everyone "Jedi business, go back to your drinks." Everyone knows the Jedi were around, but what exactly they did was always blurry and was distorted even more after (and possibly during) the Clone Wars. And rumours about mind-influencing and levitating objects may have reached Tatooine, but if Luke never did those things accidentally (lord knows it took him long enough to do it properly 3 years after he learned for a fact that the Force is with him), how would he make the connection? And to what? Again, barely knowing of the Jedi through backwater chatter is not the same as knowing about the Force. And what does it matter if they have the Jedi Temple on Coruscant? The Vatican isn't very far away either, and yet I have no idea what's going on there. Heck, I don't even know what it looks like from the inside, except the portrayal in a South Park episode. -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/26 11:02pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	TwiLekJedi posted: Everyone knows the Jedi were around, but what exactly they did was always blurry and was distorted even more after (and possibly during) the Clone Wars. And rumours about mind-influencing and levitating objects may have reached Tatooine, but if Luke never did those things accidentally (lord knows it took him long enough to do it properly 3 years after he learned for a fact that the Force is with him), how would he make the connection? And to what? Again, barely knowing of the Jedi through backwater chatter is not the same as knowing about the Force. I understand what your saying, but you are simply too apologetic here and it's unrealistic. It's a fact that Jedi were prominent people throughout the Galaxy and you have to err on the side that the average person would be aware of Jedi rather than unaware, especially if a person had the name Skywalker, the last name of one of the most infamous people in the Galaxy. You make it sound as if we are talking about Bosks or Ewoks or some lesser known being. Not Jedi that had become infamous and had travelled the Galaxy helping to govern over many years. I also disagree that barely knowing about Jedi is different than knowing about the force. It's not different, they are always together. That's exactly what distinguishes a person as a Jedi, it's that they are unique and have the power to feel the force and control it in various ways. This is a well known phenomenon. [quote]And what does it matter if they have the Jedi Temple on Coruscant? The Vatican isn't very far away either, and yet I have no idea what's going on there. Heck, I don't even know what it looks like from the inside, except the portrayal in a South Park episode.[/quote] well, I do agree here. It's not like their council was broadcasting live across the galaxy. it was a private forum and some people may not be aware of it. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 4/28 5:52am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	I don't seperate the Jedi from the Force, I seperate common knowledge about Jedi from knowledge about the Force. I don't know how I can make the distinction any clearer. My bad language-analogy early in the thread probably won't help, either. I do maintain, however, that you're viewing this far too much from the standpoint of a member of the audience. You and I know all this for a fact. Luke on the other hand... doesn't exactly have Wookieepedia. -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/28 3:35pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Tatooine's Holonet connection is slow... -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/28 5:28pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	TwiLekJedi posted: I don't seperate the Jedi from the Force, I seperate common knowledge about Jedi from knowledge about the Force. I don't know how I can make the distinction any clearer. My bad language-analogy early in the thread probably won't help, either. no I knew what you meant, but again I must say, it's not really an accurate assessment. and no I do not speak from a fans/audience/whatever perspective, but from a general assessment of what common knowledge would be from a common person or being in that galaxy about Jedi and the force. if a commoner knows what a Jedi is (and yes, that is more common than not common) then they understand it is feeling the force that makes them a Jedi. Do they know all the intricacies of the force, all the powers and subtleties no, but they understand that Jedi can understand and manipulate it and it's what makes them different. that they are different. Many times throughout the original films random characters make references to Jedi and to force powers. Many EU examples as well (I'll site the Thrawn trilogy) that a Jedi can walk into almost any random argument on any planet and instantly become the moderator or judge. Deciding what action to take in the dispute and each time the commoners accept that the Jedi has that right and accept the judgement as well. Now think more logically, on a broader scope. The Empire in the original trilogy is the dominant power, it's reach stretching far across the galaxy. A Sith lord (another force controlling being) is commanding it's forces, Darth Vader. His exploits are legend by that time, displaying force powers all over the galaxy as they hunt Jedi and gain more control of the galaxy. The common person would know and understand this, they don't need Wookieepedia. Again as I said before, Jedi helped govern the galaxy in the PT era and that is barely 20 years prior (about how long Luke has been around). They were allowed to do so because they were different, because they could feel the force and use it. Common people knew this. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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