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vaders_cape Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 4/28 8:20pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it?????? - Date Edited: 4/28 8:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: vaders_cape
	I'm with jedimasterbac - just because you have a genetic predispostion towards something does not mean that those genes will express themselves without the right environment. Besides, maybe Luke wasn't as full of midies like his father - after all Anakin was "immaculately conceived" (unless his mother was in denial) whereas Luke and Leia were conceived the good ol' fashioned way with Anakin's mortal mother's genes mixed with Padme's mere mortal genes - who knows, maybe that made a difference? To feel different or out of place among one's friends or family isn't unusual - it doesn't mean you know that you have either special abilities or a destiny to fulfill. -----signature----- This thing of Darkness I acknowledge mine. There is nothing more confining than the prison we don't know we're in. - William Shakespeare
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DRush76 Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 4/29 9:28am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	nah, I agree with the thread maker. it's a bit of a plot hole on Lucas' part how oblivious Luke is to his own powers (he's not a kid like Anikan, even so...). and the Jedi and the Force more specifically is made out to be 'some hokey religion' which is another plot hole from Lucas. It's not, as the Jedi and the power of the force is a well know and infamous phenomenon throughout the history of that galaxy. This does not make any sense to me. How were Anakin and Luke supposed to be aware that they were Force talented before receiving their Jedi training? And what exactly are you trying to say about the Force being "an infamous phenonmenon throughout the history of the galaxy"?
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vaders_cape Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 4/29 5:22pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Especially since Obiwan had to explain to Luke the concept and existence of the Force - under the Empire it obviously wasn't the most talked about facet of life. Which makes sense, if a regime wipes out an organisation (religious or otherwise) all beliefs associated with them are generally also squashed from public discussion. -----signature----- This thing of Darkness I acknowledge mine. There is nothing more confining than the prison we don't know we're in. - William Shakespeare
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halibut Title: FF GSA & FF-UK RSA / Saga Mod Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 4/29 5:35pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Still doesn't explain why Luke wouldn't know about Anakin Skywalker being the first human to win the Boonta Eve classic -----signature----- They are not "songs", they are "tracks" or "cues" ROTJ - "It has a nice mix of muppets and patricide that you don't see very often" - Darthboba Everybody knows that the bird is the word!
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vaders_cape Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 4/29 8:51pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it?????? - Date Edited: 4/29 8:52pm (1 edits total) Edited By: vaders_cape
	But with respect what does that have to do with Luke having a conscious awareness of his own force abilities? Upon finding out about her genetic connection to Luke and Vader and their Force abilities, Leia didn't immediately go "oh yeah, I'm like that too!". Quite the opposite. -----signature----- This thing of Darkness I acknowledge mine. There is nothing more confining than the prison we don't know we're in. - William Shakespeare
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/29 10:46pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it?????? - Date Edited: 4/29 10:47pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	She accepted it when Luke told her. Her initial denial of Force abilities was predicated on her belief that she was not related to Luke. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/29 11:22pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	vaders_cape posted: But with respect what does that have to do with Luke having a conscious awareness of his own force abilities? Upon finding out about her genetic connection to Luke and Vader and their Force abilities, Leia didn't immediately go "oh yeah, I'm like that too!". Quite the opposite. really? upon telling her, she responds with "somehow I've always known". not even a moment of shock, like if someone you recently met and is a close friend suddenly tells you they are your brother you never knew existed. also. Leia responds to Luke's mental calling while hanging off the Antenna on Bespin. without any shock or conliction about it, she orders they turn the falcon around to get him. like it's common for her to have this ability and not at all shocked that she A) heard Luke in her mind or B) was right that she lead them exactly to where Luke was. and how about Luke? the best pilot in the outer rim? really. a poor farm boy, with no training at all in an academy or from an experienced pilot is THE best pilot in the outer rim. Anakin is such because as Qui Gon states "he can see things before they happen". now, are you telling me Luke doesn't see things before they happen or feel something that enables him to be better than anyone else? couple this with his obliviousness to the Skywalker name and I think the case is made. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/29 11:31pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	vaders_cape posted: Especially since Obiwan had to explain to Luke the concept and existence of the Force - under the Empire it obviously wasn't the most talked about facet of life. Which makes sense, if a regime wipes out an organisation (religious or otherwise) all beliefs associated with them are generally also squashed from public discussion. actually it doesn't make sense. just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it's not thought of anymore. the events of order 66, the killing of the Jedi, the deterioration of the senate and rise of the Empire etc etc, major galactic events happened less then 20 years ago from the time Luke meets Obi Wan. that's really nothing. World War 2 for example was about 70 years ago. think about how well known and documented those events were, they are still prevalent. also, he may have not made the connection of his abilities being fueled by his feeling of the force, but I fail to believe he didn't 'feel' something. that he was different somehow. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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Badger_Legion Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 4/30 1:19am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	HellasLEAF-Jedi posted: vaders_cape posted: Especially since Obiwan had to explain to Luke the concept and existence of the Force - under the Empire it obviously wasn't the most talked about facet of life. Which makes sense, if a regime wipes out an organisation (religious or otherwise) all beliefs associated with them are generally also squashed from public discussion. actually it doesn't make sense. just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it's not thought of anymore. the events of order 66, the killing of the Jedi, the deterioration of the senate and rise of the Empire etc etc, major galactic events happened less then 20 years ago from the time Luke meets Obi Wan. that's really nothing. World War 2 for example was about 70 years ago. think about how well known and documented those events were, they are still prevalent. We don't live under an authoritarian government that is trying to suppress all non-government approved knowledge of WWII.
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BurlBird Registered: Jan '09	Date Posted: 4/30 3:50am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Badger_Legion posted: We don't live under an authoritarian government that is trying to suppress all non-government approved knowledge of WWII. In my country (I won't name it ) a civil war was fought during and just after WWII - between pro-Soviet and pro-Western groups. After the war Communists won and in 20-30 years they blurred most public knowledge of the war, so that, to this very date, there are many crucial facts common citizens don't know about that period. And some say we actually lived in the most liberal communist country! Now, about Luke's knowledge: we don't know what Owen actually told him about his ancestry. My guess has always been that Owen told him Anakin and Shmi moved in with the Lars family (Shmi's grave was just outside the homestead). When Shmi died Anakin moved off-planet to be a 'navigator on a space freighter', and died during the war. (I always wondered what was the "official story" about Luke's mother? But that's for another thread...) So he might have heard about Anakin wining in Pod Racing, but that would not make much of a difference for him. His latent abilities were perhapse evident to him, but without any knowledge of the Jedi training he was unlikely to have matured in his powers. We don't really know much about the nature of the training and of technics Jedi used to focus on the Force - we only got glimpses of it in the movies. The public knowledge of the Force and of Jedi is another subject. The Order has been a sort of a shadow government for centuries - they discussed galactic politics and economy etc. and acted as mediators, diplomats, advisors and war-time generals. But what public really knew about them is hard to deduce from what little we see. We know the leaders of the Rebel Alliance had knowledge of the Jedi, but ordinary soldiers? They all used "May the Force be with you" as a formal farewell, but that doesn't mean they were all practitioners and believers of the 'hokey religion'... The Force and the Jedi were probably just simbols of the Old Republic to them.
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/30 4:58am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Badger_Legion posted: HellasLEAF-Jedi posted: vaders_cape posted: Especially since Obiwan had to explain to Luke the concept and existence of the Force - under the Empire it obviously wasn't the most talked about facet of life. Which makes sense, if a regime wipes out an organisation (religious or otherwise) all beliefs associated with them are generally also squashed from public discussion. actually it doesn't make sense. just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it's not thought of anymore. the events of order 66, the killing of the Jedi, the deterioration of the senate and rise of the Empire etc etc, major galactic events happened less then 20 years ago from the time Luke meets Obi Wan. that's really nothing. World War 2 for example was about 70 years ago. think about how well known and documented those events were, they are still prevalent. We don't live under an authoritarian government that is trying to suppress all non-government approved knowledge of WWII. The Empire purged the Jedi's so that the Sith could rule the empire once again, not to suppress the knowledge that Jedi's ever existed. What, they are flying from system to system now and re-educating everyone as well? There is no evidence of this, your statement is a hypothetical. And force wielding Sith Lord is in control of said authoritarian government. The most powerful figure in the galaxy, 2nd to...another Sith Lord. What do you think the commoner on Tatooine or Yavin thinks of him? that he is a magician? There is a reason they fear Vader. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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HellasLEAF-Jedi Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/30 5:06am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	I dunno guys, I don't mean to be argumentative. It's just that there are some smart posters here and I guess I'm a bit surprised that some don't believe that a common man living in that galaxy would know a) what a Jedi is and b) that they are Jedi because they feel the force or have some form of power making them different. this all stemming from the original topic of Luke not making any connection to his last name Skywalker of course. -----signature----- I'd like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Lucas for deciding to have sex that night.
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vaders_cape Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 4/30 3:59pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	Well maybe Skywalker is their equivalent to Smith. Folk have to use their "theory of mind" here - i.e, putting yourself in that person's position and the decisions they make based on the information they have at the time defined and limited by the environment they are in at THAT time - and not based on what the viewer knows having seen all three original SW films plus the prequels. Luke was raised on a desert planet far away from the action, having been raised by an aunt and uncle fearful that Luke will one day find out the truth about his origins and thus more more likely to be protective and controlling (with good intentions) of what he hears, believes and is exposed to. For any ability to be realised it has to be allowed to be expressed and allowed to develop - and it's clear from the interactions with his family that Luke didn't have that opportunity. -----signature----- This thing of Darkness I acknowledge mine. There is nothing more confining than the prison we don't know we're in. - William Shakespeare
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halibut Title: FF GSA & FF-UK RSA / Saga Mod Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 4/30 4:18pm Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	HellasLEAF-Jedi posted: I dunno guys, I don't mean to be argumentative. It's just that there are some smart posters here and I guess I'm a bit surprised that some don't believe that a common man living in that galaxy would know a) what a Jedi is and b) that they are Jedi because they feel the force or have some form of power making them different. this all stemming from the original topic of Luke not making any connection to his last name Skywalker of course. Luke certainly knew what a Jedi was, given his reaction when Obi-Wan told him that his father was a Jedi. -----signature----- They are not "songs", they are "tracks" or "cues" ROTJ - "It has a nice mix of muppets and patricide that you don't see very often" - Darthboba Everybody knows that the bird is the word!
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Badger_Legion Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 5/1 8:36am Subject: If Luke is Anakin's offspring then how is it??????
	HellasLEAF-Jedi posted: Badger_Legion posted: HellasLEAF-Jedi posted: [quote=vaders_cape]Especially since Obiwan had to explain to Luke the concept and existence of the Force - under the Empire it obviously wasn't the most talked about facet of life. Which makes sense, if a regime wipes out an organisation (religious or otherwise) all beliefs associated with them are generally also squashed from public discussion. actually it doesn't make sense. just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it's not thought of anymore. the events of order 66, the killing of the Jedi, the deterioration of the senate and rise of the Empire etc etc, major galactic events happened less then 20 years ago from the time Luke meets Obi Wan. that's really nothing. World War 2 for example was about 70 years ago. think about how well known and documented those events were, they are still prevalent. We don't live under an authoritarian government that is trying to suppress all non-government approved knowledge of WWII. The Empire purged the Jedi's so that the Sith could rule the empire once again, not to suppress the knowledge that Jedi's ever existed. What, they are flying from system to system now and re-educating everyone as well?[/Quote] Authoritarian governments almost always suppress information that doesn't work to their favor. Why would the Empire be any different? As for how, it's simply a matter of not allowing the information to be discussed in the public sphere. If information on the Jedi could potentially hurt the government, then you can be sure that that knowledge wouldn't be taught in any school or univeristy, it wouldn't be mentioned in any media, and books about it would be censored or destroyed entirely. Sure, a lot of people would still know about the force and the Jedi, and they could teach their children about them, but when you live in a police state, a lot of people choose to keep their mouths shut to avoid any potential trouble with the government. That wouldn't entirely eradicate the information from the public consciousness, but it would be far less commonly known. Kind of like the Tiananmen Square Massacre in China. So, in my estimation, it is perfectly reasonable that a boy who lived in a small farm in the middle of no where, and was raised by two people who didn't want to tell him anything that could wind up getting him in trouble, would not know very much about the force or the Jedi. HellasLeaf posted: There is no evidence of this, your statement is a hypothetical. It's speculation, sure, but it's logical and fits with what we see in the films. HellasLeaf posted: And force wielding Sith Lord is in control of said authoritarian government. The most powerful figure in the galaxy, 2nd to...another Sith Lord. What do you think the commoner on Tatooine or Yavin thinks of him? that he is a magician? There is a reason they fear Vader. Dictators and powerful military figures are generally feared by people who live under their yoke. Nothing in that indicates that the average Galactic citizen knows that they are force users.
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