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Sunnin-Onna-Rock Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 3/3 5:34pm Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	Well, we have to keep in mind the releases coming next have no new alterations, at least that I know of. That's in contrast to Adywan's wreck of an edit, that does have a lot of alterations that fans might be curious about.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 3/3 5:42pm Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	I'm sure it isn't hurting Lucas' bottom line much if at all. And I'm sure it's not like Lucas is upset about it. But it's true that if you don't protect your copyrights every time, those times you don't do it can be used to argue that he has waived his copyright. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Darthdias Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 3/3 6:21pm Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	The bulk of ady's edits are minor details, things causual fans are not likely to even notice. Hell, I consider myself a fan and many of them would have been missed by me unless they hadn't been directly pointed out to me. Unlike the majority of Lucas' own changes that were often obvious, intrusive and plain unneccessary, done in a scarily halphazard manner considering the resources of LFL. Compared to horrors like Greedo shooting first, Hayden's ghost and Jedi Rocks, Ady's edits are relatively seamless, and done with great effort and passion. With limited and sometimes crude technology, though. This is just one guy after all. Some things, like the planet under the Death Star, does look tacky. But if you actually read a little bit more about the guy, wou'll find that he is actually an old trilogy lover of the old school, someone who understands that the new films should match the old ones and not the other way around. Someone who always fends off the more outlandish suggestions from other posters begging for uneccessary changes, and someone who made his edits, not because he thought the old trilogy need improving, but because he was simply dissapointed with the piss-poor quality of the 2004 dvds. Considering what a rushjob they were, I can't blame him on that. His edit may not come close to the sacred orginal movie- nor was that his intention - but it mops the floor with that joke of a 2004 dvd release.
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Sunnin-Onna-Rock Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 3/4 8:23am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued??? - Date Edited: 3/4 8:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: Sunnin-Onna-Rock
	The 2004 releases were nothing short of great. Don't know how you could get "piss-poor quality." Please explain.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 3/4 9:39am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	The 2004 edition was in many ways a rush job. Originally Lucas wanted to wait until he was done with the prequels to put any Star Wars movies out on DVD. After countless petitions Lucas finally decided to put the prequels on a regular Movie to DVD release schedule (same year), but wasn't finished with the classic trilogy changes he wanted to make. Then his analysts told him that if he waited too long, there might not be a DVD market to sell to, what with Blue Ray and HD DVD out. So he decided to take a snapshot of the classic trilogy and use that as the 2004 release, which has been re-released a few times since. To make the DVD version, he spent billions to clean up the original image and rebuilt the sound from scratch. This cleanup and rebuilding process amplified the issues in the original image, making the slight green tint of Luke's lightsaber more pronounced, and causing the slight variation in coloring of Vader's blade in ESB making it seem more pinkish in certain shots. Also, the sound mix was a little different, most notably in ANH during the Death Star attack when the X-Wings first descend into the trench, the usual fanfare that was blaring in the original was subdued almost to the point of not being there. Some people say that the rear channels were reversed for some scenes, but I've never been able to tell. I think Lucas is still tweaking the movies and eventually he'll put out new versions with a lot of this stuff tied up. But that is why some people say the 2004 release was not very good quality. It's still good enough for me, but I can't wait for the finished version. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Sunnin-Onna-Rock Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 3/4 9:44am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	Thanks for the explanation, Go-Mer-Tonic. We still can't downplay the amazing restoration job done to the picture quality of the 2004 DVD's. There are all sorts of screenshot comparisons to the various releases out there if anyone needs to see them side-by-side. Use Google.
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/4 10:28am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	There are numerous other issues with the 2004 DVDs as well. Addressing specifically 'ANH', there are many blaster fire shots that have lost their brightness, some shots from which the squib-burst of spark and flame has been inexplicably removed (especially noticeable in the cell block firefight), and the overall contrast and color timing is wildly different in places from the original film. In ESB and especially ROTJ, the light sabers lose their brilliant core in many shots, especially Vader's; in the shot of Luke and Vader's blades crossed over a cackling Emperor, the pink and green colors bleed into each other in a visible and embarrassing digital pixellated mess. All of these flaws, combined with the numerous special edition additions and changes of questionable taste and necessity, make the 2004 DVDs something of a punching bag for disgruntled fans, including myself, regardless of the otherwise excellent picture quality restoration. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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BaronLandoCalrissian Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 3/4 10:42am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	Go-Mer-Tonic posted: To make the DVD version, he spent billions to clean up the original image Comedy Gold!
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 3/4 10:45am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	I guess it is kind of funny. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Darthdias Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 3/4 11:06am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued??? - Date Edited: 3/4 11:10am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darthdias
	Perhaps my judgement was a tad harsh. I did enjoy the clean-up efforts and the extra crisp image clarity of the 2004 dvds. But unfortunately that came at the expense of color and brightness issues as well as audio problems. So, at least for me, adywan's edit (the purist version) is the best dvd of ANH so far. The 2006 release of the orginal movie is good of course, but Lucas unfortunately didn't do any restoration on that one.
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obi-arin-kenobi Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 3/4 11:25am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	I remember hearing that the lightsabers were altered to more closely mimic those of the pt trilogy, to please whining fans. I'm pretty sure Lucas was unaware of a lot of the visual nuances taking place. I keep my stance that the adywan does not look like the original films in the slightest. It looks like a cheap photoshop job.
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Sunnin-Onna-Rock Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 3/4 11:45am Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	Adywan's edit is definitely too "cheap" for me. I managed to watch it through once before it went into the trash.
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Darthdias Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 3/4 12:33pm Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	There were things that he couldn't change with the tools he had. Like the lightsabers being too fat in his edit. I don't thnk one should disregard the entire edit becuase a few things were a bit hooky. As as I said, the majority of changes were small and subtle. And if by cheap you mean things like the extended Death Star intro or the Tie reveal, then it is simple to avoid that: just download the purist version. Since I didn't like those changes either, or prequel music during the duel, re-arranged scene in Ben's hut, etc, I got the purist version without all of that. It's great. No more droid slaipstick in Mos Easily, no more needless Jabba scene, and no more Greedo shooting first
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obi-arin-kenobi Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 3/4 1:05pm Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	Darthdias posted: There were things that he couldn't change with the tools he had. Like the lightsabers being too fat in his edit. I don't thnk one should disregard the entire edit becuase a few things were a bit hooky. As as I said, the majority of changes were small and subtle. And if by cheap you mean things like the extended Death Star intro or the Tie reveal, then it is simple to avoid that: just download the purist version. Since I didn't like those changes either, or prequel music during the duel, re-arranged scene in Ben's hut, etc, I got the purist version without all of that. It's great. No more droid slaipstick in Mos Easily, no more needless Jabba scene, and no more Greedo shooting first The consistency of the picture looks bad. The laser blasts look bad. The sabers look bad. The emperor hologram looks atrocious. I don't care if there are super magnificent high definition versions either--the film was tampered with in such a manner that makes every other release look angelic.
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Darthdias Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 3/4 2:18pm Subject: How Does Adywan Get Away With His Edits Without Being Sued???
	I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.
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