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DARTH_BELO  753 posts
Registered: Nov '03
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Date Posted: 1/31 4:22pm Subject: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
After recently watching Empire Strikes Back, this came to me:

At the beginning of the episode, we hear Vader Say "That IS the system, and I'm sure SKYWALKER is with them."

This is said before the emperor contacts him, and commands Vader to bring Skywalker to him.

Why did Vader not recognize that name at first? I tried that whole "he didn't want to acknowledge his old name, since he was no longer Anakin" thing, but that doesn't seem to do it...wouldn't he think "why is HE named Skywalker as well?"

If this is posted elsewhere, sorry...I didn't see it anywhere in these last 6 or 7 pages of threads. tongue

Thoughts?

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31 4:29pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
He did recognize it.

 

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zombie  3405 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31 5:25pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
In the original Emperor hologram scene, there is no "reveal", Vader is already well aware of Luke being a Skywalker--its part of the plot set-up, as the opening scroll states that that Vader is "obsessively" searching for Skywalker. When Lucas re-shot the Emperor scene for the 2004 he created an inconsistency by not addressing this.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10329 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31 5:33pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
There's no inconsistency.

 

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celera  405 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31 5:49pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
Either way, Vader pretended to be ignorant about Luke so that the Emperor wouldn't know what what he was up to.

 
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Darth Dark Helmet  11247 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31 6:02pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
Master_Starwalker posted:
He did recognize it.


Yeah, why else would he be so single-minded in his chase at the beginning of the movie? He knows who Luke is for the entirety of Empire Strikes Back.

 

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rsterling78  4884 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31 6:35pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???


The Rebellion issued a press release about the Yavin-4 decoration ceremony and Luke's name was included. Really stupid, but you know, 20/20 hindsight...

 
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Merlin_Ambrosius69  1931 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31 8:44pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
Put zombie's and celera's posts together and you have your answer. The opening scroll says Vader already knows about Skywalker. When the Emperor "reveals" the facts about Luke, Vader is playing coy, but he's already aware of the kid's identity.

 

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DARTH_BELO  753 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1 12:14am Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted:
Put zombie's and celera's posts together and you have your answer. The opening scroll says Vader already knows about Skywalker. When the Emperor "reveals" the facts about Luke, Vader is playing coy, but he's already aware of the kid's identity.



... thinking ... I like this...makes sense to me...

Thanks! peace

 

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TwiLekJedi  69991 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1 5:19am Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
and with RotS in mind, consider what he's actually asking. "Offspring of Anakin Skwalker, ya think?? Of course he is, but how is that possible when you told me I killed his pregnant mother? Everyone saw her big dead belly being paraded around Naboo and yet here is my son. I'm gonna throw you down a bottomless pit you lying bag of wrinkles!"

... or something to that effect wink

 

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MasterMonkey13  944 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1 8:47am Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
I agree with pretty much everything said above. Vader knew about Luke and knew that he was his son. He probably did not make a big deal about it to prevent the other Imperials from knowing about this relationship. If the troops knew, the news would spread and quickly get to the Emperor's ears. Vader, in my opinion, wanted to secretly get Luke on his side and surprise the Emperor and overthrow him.

 

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BarkingFrog  80 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1 12:21pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
Vader was just playing dumb so he could recruit Luke to overthrow the Emperor. And I think the Emperor knew he was lying, too. You can sort of hear it in his "Yeeess... he would be a great asset".

They were both planning to betray each other.

 
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LawJedi  450 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1 8:11pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
BarkingFrog posted:
Vader was just playing dumb so he could recruit Luke to overthrow the Emperor. And I think the Emperor knew he was lying, too. You can sort of hear it in his "Yeeess... he would be a great asset".

They were both planning to betray each other.


It's basically the same as the "strange that I have not felt him" conversation in ROTJ.

There is a serious lack of trust between these two. They both lie to one another, they know that they lie to one another, and they both know that the other knows that they lie. If that makes any sense. silly

Any aging Sith should assume that its not safe to turn your back to your apprentice.

 

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skywalkerz  79 posts
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Date Posted: 2/12 7:31pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
Vader forgotthe Skywalker name. Looks like he's good at developing amnesia conveniently.

 
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GrandAdmiral_Frank  2417 posts
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Date Posted: 2/13 7:29pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
^^

Vader did not forget the Skywalker name. He ceased to be Anakin and was Darth Vader.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 2/13 10:27pm Subject: RE: Why didn't Darth Vader recognize the "Skywalker" name???
The shift is greatly exaggerated. If it was so great that Vader wouldn't know the Skywalker name, it makes no sense for Vader to refer to Luke as "my son."

 

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