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SaberSlash Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 2/2 6:35pm Subject: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	I am curious as to whether anyone ever saw any material on why Luke was the Lead bomber for his team on the Death Star Trench bombing run? I mean, Wedge and Biggs, were established Rebellion pilots, and some kid shows up from no where and is assigned Wedge and Biggs as his wingmen. Obviously, it fits the plot, but realistically, if you really think about it, shouldn't Luke have been the wingman until he earned the lead? -----signature----- Put your weapon away, I'm mean you no harm.
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Compactor_3263827 Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 2/2 7:00pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	I always saw it as if Wedge and Biggs decided to take control, they would retreat, citing impossible odds and a hopeless situation. Luke was the only one at that point who had the guts to take the chance. But that's just my opinion. I have nothing to back that up. -----signature----- It is not known to most people that Star Wars is based on the Akira Kurosawa film The Seven Samurai, a 1954 Japanese masterpiece wherein a team of 19th century Samurai free a princess by attacking a space station. ... http://www.youtube.com/thegajh5
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BaronFel88 Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 2/2 7:29pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	I think both Wedge and Biggs were discouraged by Red Leader's miss and figured they had no chance (especially Wedge -"that's impossible, even for a computer!") and were probably hoping a confident Luke ("bullseyeing womprats in my T-16") would lead the last desperate attack. -----signature----- "Oh the pain" "What a disgrace" -Joe Benigno
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host BC Single Pick Winner Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 2/2 8:31pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	Biggs did say that Luke was "one of the best bush pilots in the Outer Rim Territories", and when Red Leader was assigning the next rench run he was in a rush, so he probably gave the lead position to Luke because he had the guts to take the challenge. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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timmoishere Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 2/2 8:55pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	Biggs and Wedge were just there to shield Luke while he took the time to line up his shot. Therefore, more experienced pilots would be a better choice to be in the shield positions because they are more skilled at staying alive long enough to give the lead fighter enough time. -----signature----- Will do moose stuff for money. Everything tastes better wrapped in bacon, especially bacon 11/20/2008: The day I married the most wonderful woman in the world.
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rsterling78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 2/2 10:52pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	Luke is the "Gary Stu" of Star Wars. When he has a Force vision in ESB of Han and company in danger on Cloud City, he decides to take on the Empire singlehandedly instead of informing the Rebel High Command of the situation. He learned his lesson in ROTJ and actually had a plan and compatriots to rescue Han and Leia from Jabba. Then later in the movie he goes all Gary Stu again and decides he'll try to recuit dear old dad whose been a galactic despot for over 20 years over to the good guys. He should have just loaded R2-D2 with explosives and sent him to Vader on a suicide mission.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/2 11:29pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	Deciding to take on the Empire singlehandedly doesn't make him a Gary Stu, considering he had his rear royally handed to him in a nice gift wrapped package. It just makes him stupid. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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CaptainYossarian Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 2/3 12:21pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	rsterling78 posted: Luke is the "Gary Stu" of Star Wars. When he has a Force vision in ESB of Han and company in danger on Cloud City, he decides to take on the Empire singlehandedly instead of informing the Rebel High Command of the situation. If Luke wanted to do something practical to try and help his friends then he likely realised he had to do it himself. Time was of the essence and he may have thought that either the Alliance wouldn't do anything based on the evidence of his vision, or that they would be unwilling to undertake a rescue mission that would be highly dangerous and, since the captives were being held by Vader himself, had little chance of success. Also consider that probably the only one who actually mattered to the Rebels was Leia. They would likely be reticent about a rescue mission for just one person, even if she was as important as Leia. Luke also understood that his friends' suffering was to draw him into a trap, which was what Vader wanted. Luke thought that by going alone he could do something to resolve the situation, even if it meant sacrificing himself so his friends would survive. Getting the Alliance involved would only mean more people would die, and the outcome might very well end up the same. As to why Luke led the final run, it was Red Leader who told him to take Reds 2 and 3 and to wait for his signal to start their run. I don't know why he told that to Luke, seemingly a less experienced pilot, rather than Biggs or Wedge but maybe that was the way he wanted it. Perhaps he did know that Luke had exceptional shooting skills, or maybe he wanted Luke to lead the attack so that he could concentrate on taking the shot whilst the more experienced pilots covered him. -----signature----- "Orr would be crazy to fly any more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
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Compactor_3263827 Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 2/3 12:27pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	CaptainYossarian posted: As to why Luke led the final run, it was Red Leader who told him to take Reds 2 and 3 and to wait for his signal to start their run. I don't know why he told that to Luke, seemingly a less experienced pilot, rather than Biggs or Wedge but maybe that was the way he wanted it. Perhaps he did know that Luke had exceptional shooting skills, or maybe he wanted Luke to lead the attack so that he could concentrate on taking the shot whilst the more experienced pilots covered him. If you're going by cut footage, maybe it's because he knew Luke's father was such a good pilot. -----signature----- It is not known to most people that Star Wars is based on the Akira Kurosawa film The Seven Samurai, a 1954 Japanese masterpiece wherein a team of 19th century Samurai free a princess by attacking a space station. ... http://www.youtube.com/thegajh5
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Darth Dark Helmet Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/3 2:13pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	And in the aftermath of Red Leader's death, Luke was the one who stepped up. He was the one who called for Biggs and Wedge to form up, he took charge. Some people are natural leaders, and I think Biggs knew that before the Battle started, and Wedge figured it out pretty quick. -----signature----- When dealing with genocide, you must ask yourself, "What would Hitler do?" And then, you know, do the opposite.
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DarthLassic007 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 2/5 11:46pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	In a deleted scene, Red Leader tells Luke that he once flew with his father. Maybe Red Leader believed that all Skywalkers were great fighter pilots. -----signature----- Veni, Vidi, Vici. - Julius Caesar
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SaberSlash Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 2/7 8:29pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	DarthLassic007 posted: In a deleted scene, Red Leader tells Luke that he once flew with his father. Maybe Red Leader believed that all Skywalkers were great fighter pilots. I don't remember that scene. Is that on the Special Edition DVD? That would make more sense than just Luke showing up out of nowhere and leading an attack run with no track record. -----signature----- Put your weapon away, I'm mean you no harm.
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goraq Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 2/7 9:41pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	,,Maybe Red Leader believed that all Skywalkers were great fighter pilots.,, So what geniuses are perfectly capable of ,,producing,, average sons and daughters. Maybe Luke mid-tricked them all. -----signature----- ,,Power is tearing human minds apart and putting them back together in new shapes of your own choosing. ,,
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DarthLassic007 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 2/8 12:40pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run - Date Edited: 2/8 12:41pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthLassic007
	SaberSlash posted: DarthLassic007 posted: In a deleted scene, Red Leader tells Luke that he once flew with his father. Maybe Red Leader believed that all Skywalkers were great fighter pilots. I don't remember that scene. Is that on the Special Edition DVD? That would make more sense than just Luke showing up out of nowhere and leading an attack run with no track record. It was never released although it was filmed. Part of the scene with Red Leader, Biggs, and Luke was released in the SE. But not the entire scene. The last part where Red Leader told Luke about flying with his father was not. It took place after Biggs gives Red Leader the Luke is the best bush pilot speech. Then Red Leader says that he knows that he'll do just fine because he once (or used?) to fly with Luke's father. I think I heard that Lucas decided not to release that part when he changed the ages of Anakin and Obi-Wan in the PT movies. At one point they were supposed to be older. I don't know why that made a difference. A younger Anakin could have still flown with Red Leader at one time. I think the real reason must have been that Lucas wanted to keep Anakin's past more of a mystery to both Luke and the audience. -----signature----- Veni, Vidi, Vici. - Julius Caesar
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 2/8 2:07pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	Simple, Luke like his father has a natural knack for taking charge. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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celera Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 2/8 7:32pm Subject: RE: Luke leading the Death Star Trench Run
	Both of Luke's parents were leaders at exceptionally young ages. Padme was a queen at 14. Not sure how old Anakin was when he got promoted to general but he was younger than Luke was at Mindor.
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