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Author Topic: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
obi-rob-kenobi4  1189 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4 11:16pm Subject: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt. - Date Edited: 2/4 11:28pm (1 edits total) Edited By: obi-rob-kenobi4
It was just a diversion to not beat the Empire but just hold them off long enough for han and his strike teem to bomb the shield generator, thats all. They got there butts kicked at first then they are shown to be able to hold them off and before Han gets the shield down they run away into the woods.

This isn't a "point of view" this is FACT.

The only thing the Ewoks did was draw the troops away from han then run into the woods -thats all!

The fighting scenes between the troops and the Ewoks are just the Ewoks trying to hang in there and defend themselves in the meantime.

The imperial officer even says it, he reports- "its over commander, the rebels have been routed and are fleeing into the woods, we need reinforcements to continue pursuit". Thats his exact words, so WHY do people always get into big conversations about how the Ewoks were able to "beat" the empire when it wasn't even like that??? People ARE aware of this...right??? hypnotized

 

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timmoishere  7865 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4 11:26pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
It was actually Chewie taking over the AT-ST that turned the tide of the battle.

And that was Han telling the officers inside the bunker that the Rebels had been routed. He's pretty sneaky.

 

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obi-rob-kenobi4  1189 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4 11:37pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt. - Date Edited: 2/4 11:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: obi-rob-kenobi4
timmoishere posted:
It was actually Chewie taking over the AT-ST that turned the tide of the battle.

And that was Han telling the officers inside the bunker that the Rebels had been routed. He's pretty sneaky.


yes but what im saying is that it was a diversion not a battle. They weren't fighting to "win" they were fighting to draw the troops away from han just long enough for him to get the shield down.

George Lucas himself even said that the reason why he had padme state in TPM that the gungan battle was just a diversion was because he didn't want people to misunderstand like they did with the Ewok battle in ROTJ so just to make it CRISTAL CLEAR he made padme practically look at the camera and state that the gungan battle was a diversion like he **should have done** with the Ewok battle.

But even though it wasn't spelled out in ROTJ, that was still the case, it was just a diversion.

 

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TwiLekJedi  70041 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 6:34am Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
*hugs obi-rob*

 

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StarWarrior77  445 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 1:07pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
Your right, obi-rob. The Ewoks even seem to be losing during some parts of the battle.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 2:19pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
Because we see Ewoks kill Stormtroopers and people assume they had a central role.

 

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obi-rob-kenobi4  1189 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 2:26pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
StarWarrior77 posted:
Your right, obi-rob. The Ewoks even seem to be losing during some parts of the battle.


yea and all the parts that showed the Ewoks winning were only to show you all the different and clever ways they were able to hold the troops off.

 

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DarthDuckie  1910 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 2:58pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
I don't really think many people believe that the Ewoks "beat the Empire". It has been suggested that the Ewoks even contesting a battle against the Empire's elite troopers is slightly ridiculous. But let's face it, this is not the only occasion where the stormtroopers look like a bunch of muppets in battle, so it's probably quite appropriate that they get shown up by ... well ... a bunch of muppets!

 
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obi-rob-kenobi4  1189 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 3:43pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
DarthDuckie posted:
I don't really think many people believe that the Ewoks "beat the Empire". It has been suggested that the Ewoks even contesting a battle against the Empire's elite troopers is slightly ridiculous. But let's face it, this is not the only occasion where the stormtroopers look like a bunch of muppets in battle, so it's probably quite appropriate that they get shown up by ... well ... a bunch of muppets!


But they DIDN'T!! Thats the whole point im trying to make, they didn't "get shown up" by the Ewoks! They got "outsmarted" would be a better word. Outsmarted and antagonized long enough to draw the troops fire away from han and leia.

I don't think the troopers look like a bunch of muppets just because the entire forests population of Ewoks were able to defend themselves for a little while before running away after han blew up the shield.

The Empires army of troops were still there after the shield blew up, in fact they were chasing the ewoks away after they retreated. -key word ***retreated***.

 

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DarthDuckie  1910 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 3:50pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
Outsmarted by sticks and rocks.

I agree with your main point about the Ewoks being more a diversion than anything else, but as has been said, there are points where we see stormtroopers being beaten in hand to hand combat by Ewoks. That doesn't ring true, whichever way you spin it.

 
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obi-rob-kenobi4  1189 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 6:32pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
DarthDuckie posted:
Outsmarted by sticks and rocks.

I agree with your main point about the Ewoks being more a diversion than anything else, but as has been said, there are points where we see stormtroopers being beaten in hand to hand combat by Ewoks. That doesn't ring true, whichever way you spin it.


First of all im not "spinning it" any way and they were being overtaken and overwhelmed by the Ewoks in hand to hand combat because there was so many that the troops in those scenes probably simply ran out of ammunition for there blasters.

Think of Zombies. They are not strong. They are not fast. They are not smart --but there are SO MANY OF THEM that they will eventually overtake you. Well its the same thing with the Ewoks except they ARE smart. They ARE fast and whose to say they aren't strong too? And on there own turf.

I think in those scenes the troopers were getting beat because they fired until they just didn't have any ammo left at witch point more Ewoks came, overtook them and bludgeoned them to death.

 

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BaronFel88  21061 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 7:12pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
Seeing Stormtroopers getting overwhelmed by small rocks despite their armor was a little surprising, but considering how 'effective' their armor was against blaster fire during the movies, it's not that much of a reach. It's well established the Empire dominates the battle when the AT-STs arrive after the initial chaos between the Ewoks and the infantry. Chewie's commandeering of the AT-ST provided a morale boost that coincided with the Ewoks' clever log traps. That said, all that would do is provide a stalemate, as Han's bungling of the bunker back door made infiltrating it even more difficult. All the commander inside the base had to do was bide his time behind the safety of closed doors, but as tim said, Han tricked him. I wonder if Han's experience in an Imperial Academy helped him imitate the protocol between officers and sell the impersonation. Did he even know the name of the guy's uniform he stole?

 

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vaders_cape  142 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5 9:57pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
If memory serves, they were supposed to symbolise the triumph of organic over the mechanised - albeit a rather small triumph as they served as a useful aide to the Rebels during their mission but that's it.

Moving like a swarm of irate teddybears they duffed up a few stormtroopers - but that's it.

 

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obi-rob-kenobi4  1189 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7 7:48pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt. - Date Edited: 2/7 7:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: obi-rob-kenobi4
You could even say that the Empire technically won the battle. Even though the shield got blown up by the rebels the Ewoks still retreated and scattered into the forest because the Empire was too much for them.

Of course the empire then realized that the Ewoks were just a distraction and they should have focused more on the rebels than the natives.

In a nutshell, thats how the battle went and there's nothing wrong with that.

Its no different than the gungan battle from TPM, the natives were just a distraction.

 

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Qui-Gon_Reborn  5800 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7 9:24pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
Sometimes, a distraction is essential to a victory.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7 9:48pm Subject: RE: Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.
They beat their helmets.

 

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