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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 2/11 3:47pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	Grand_Moff_Jawa posted: The most unfortunate part of an OT remake is George will bury the originals. He'll call them drafts, but this time not offer them at all, bonus disc or not. At least tinkering with the OT means we still get the OT, sort of. A total redo would effectively erase them from history. I can't tell you how unacceptable that would be. George is nuts, but not THAT nuts. I hope. -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/11 6:31pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	Grand_Moff_Jawa posted: The most unfortunate part of an OT remake is George will bury the originals. He'll call them drafts, but this time not offer them at all, bonus disc or not. At least tinkering with the OT means we still get the OT, sort of. A total redo would effectively erase them from history. I can't tell you how unacceptable that would be. That's why if there's a remake, it should be done after he's moved on (either into retirement or literally moved on, as in died). If it's remade by someone else (which, either way, is the best option) while he's still involved with the company, he may want to bury the originals, as you said. If it's done after he's gone by someone else, then it becomes what other franchises have become with re-imaginings. Christopher Nolan didn't erase the other Batman films from history when he made Batman Begins. He simply made his own vision of Batman. The same goes for James Bond when they made Casino Royale. They never buried the originals or tried to pretend they didn't exist. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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Grand_Moff_Jawa Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 2/11 7:35pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	I guess if the OT is remade, but doesn't replace the existing versions, I'd have no problem with that. Maybe they could incorporate the changes made to the existing OT into the remake and put the originals back to the way they were. That would be a very cool thing to do. -----signature----- "I can't abide those Jawas... disgusting creatures"! - C3PO This sig line is [FABULOUSO!] www.outerrimsieges.com "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/11 8:07pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	Grand_Moff_Jawa posted: I guess if the OT is remade, but doesn't replace the existing versions, I'd have no problem with that. Maybe they could incorporate the changes made to the existing OT into the remake and put the originals back to the way they were. That would be a very cool thing to do. Indeed, especially if it's a re-imagining. I find a straight up remake to be rather pointless, to be honest, since you're not getting a new story. You're just having the script, perhaps slightly modified, being read by different people. If there was a re-imagining made with the same care that was put into films like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, then a re-imagining of Star Wars could be a great thing. Then again, I'm completely biased, since I have a fan fiction series that re-imagines the entire saga. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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rsterling78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 2/11 9:52pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	I think there probably will eventually be a remake/reboot of the original trilogy, or perhaps new stories set in the same time as the OT. But I bet it won't be Hollywood that does it. Hollywood in many regards is past its prime and with the price of technology coming down, a dedicated group of fans will one day be able to do this, presumably, as a non-commercial venture lest copyright issues kill it. If this sounds farfetched, consider that there are two different fan groups that make Star Trek original series episodes that rival the original broadcast episodes: Starship Exeter and Star Trek New Voyages (aka Star Trek Phase II). Also, the best cinematic treatment of an H.P. Lovecraft story has come not from Hollywood but from the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society: The Call of Cthulhu.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 2/11 9:53pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	I bet we'll get more fan-made alternate PTs than OTs... -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/12 4:12pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	Just for the record, I'm all for fan re-makes, for the following reasons: 1. Fan films, including re-makes, re-boots and alternative universe stories, are a fun means of creative expression for fans. 2. Fan films will be seen only by a small percentage of the global population. 3. Fan films are non-canonical and represent no "threat" to the enshrinement of the originals as models for cinematic excellence. A big-budget studio re-make, on the other hand would provoke the following disastrous consequences: 1. A big-budget studio re-make would be creatively bankrupt. 2. A big-budget studio re-make would be seen by the global movie-watching populace. 3. A big-budget studio re-make would replace the originals in cable TV viewings and on store shelves worldwide, for years following their release. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/12 7:00pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: 1. A big-budget studio re-make would be creatively bankrupt. A lot of people said that same thing about the new James Bond and Batman films, but most of those people are eating their words at this point. If LFL brought in something who had a clear vision and was, for lack of a better term, an "artist" in the league of Christopher Nolan, it could be a very successful thing. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/13 10:37am Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	Really? "A lot of people" said Casino Royale and Batman Begins were going to be "creatively bankrupt"? They must not have been paying attention. After Die Another Day and Batman & Robin both "jumped the shark", both franchises needed creative re-organizations, ie "re-boots". These movies are not re-makes (unless one counts the unofficial parody CR). Re-booting a franchise with a new origin story that is closer to the character's literary origins is entirely different from re-making the beloved and widely acclaimed OT films, which exist primarily as films and have no earlier or more legitimate source material to return to, as was the case with Batman and Bond. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/13 12:51pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: Really? "A lot of people" said Casino Royale and Batman Begins were going to be "creatively bankrupt"? They must not have been paying attention. After Die Another Day and Batman & Robin both "jumped the shark", both franchises needed creative re-organizations, ie "re-boots". You're right, they weren't paying attention. There are die-hards in every franchise that will defend things like that to what they say is the death. They didn't want anything reboots or re-imaginings because they thought it'd be creatively bankrupt (I don't understand how anything could be more creatively bankrupt than Die Another Day and Batman and Robin, though...). Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: These movies are not re-makes (unless one counts the unofficial parody CR). Re-booting a franchise with a new origin story that is closer to the character's literary origins is entirely different from re-making the beloved and widely acclaimed OT films, which exist primarily as films and have no earlier or more legitimate source material to return to, as was the case with Batman and Bond. I thought you were applying what you were saying to all forms of new versions (remakes, re-imaginings/reboots, etc.). My bad. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/13 1:03pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	No, not at all. Specifically, CR and BB are two of my all-time favorite films, and I supported their production from the beginning. DAD and B&R were the nails in the coffins of the previous incarnations of those franchises; those two films were IMO "creatively bankrupt". The re-boots have enormous creativity, unlimited by prior boundaries. But this is something wholly different. The OT films are not over-the-top misfires like B&R or DAD, which required re-boots to continue the artistic and commercial successes of their respective franchises. The OT films are iconic masterpieces. Re-making them would require re-thinking every element of the originals, which is tantamount to creative bankruptcy because either the filmmakers would be paying homage to the originals -- re-shooting them with the same aesthetic and production qualities as a constant "wink, wink" to the audience -- or specifically avoiding the original way of doing things just to seem "new" and "fresh" -- which would be just as bankrupt, because then they're specifically tossing out the best way to approach the material, simply because it's "already been done". Hope that further clarifies rather than muddying the waters. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/13 1:39pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion - Date Edited: 2/13 1:40pm (1 edits total) Edited By: jedimasterbac
	I agree with you, but only if we're talking specifically about a remake of only the Original Trilogy. IMO, the entire Star Wars franchise (whether it be movies, TV shows, comics, novels, etc.) is creatively bankrupt and has jumped the shark in terms of absurdity on more than one occasion (every time they jump a shark, they find something to make a bigger jump over a bigger shark), so I wouldn't mind a reboot of ALL of it. That means PT, OT and EU. I also, personally, wouldn't presume to say that the way Star Wars is now is the BEST way to do have done them. There's always someone who can do something better, even if the original version was great. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 2/13 1:55pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	- What are the pros and cons of an original trilogy remake? Pros: Better image quality, better effects, bigger budget, no intrusion from 20th Century Fox, me getting to see a Star Wars movie in the theater again (:p) Con: Unnecessary, would cause a huge canon battle, might further diminish Star Wars in the public consciousness, - Why should/shouldn’t the original trilogy be remade? To distill some of the above reasons. It should because we'd finally get Lucas' 'original vision' and it shouldn't because it could diminish the franchise in the public consciousness. - What would be the implications of an original trilogy remake on the original trilogy, the Star Wars Saga and cinema as a whole? The public would likely view it as Lucas simply going back to the well one too many times, it would further splinter the Star Wars fanbase, and it would cause a huge canon problem. - How would an original trilogy remake work? Would you want the same exact story, or would you want a reboot/re-imagining akin to Batman Begins and Casino Royale? I'd prefer the latter as that might allow for them to be alternate timelines and more importantly would allow whichever director was making the remake to be abel to express their full artistic vision and not be limited by what Lucas did in the 70s and 80s. - What might an original trilogy remake look like? If Lucas makes it, the Prequels. If another director makes it, I imagine you'd get a dark and ambiguous story akin to Battlestar or The Dark Knight (as 'dark' seems to the big buzzword in Hollywood for the moment.) - Who would you cast in an original trilogy remake? That's a tough one. I suppose I'd cast Ewan in aging make-up as Old Ben, Anthony Daniels as Threepio, Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine, James Earl Jones as Vader, and Frank Oz as Yoda simply for continuity sake. I'd probably cast Nathan Fillion as Han, just because he can pull off the roguish hero really well. I'm not really sure about anyone else though. - Anything else relating to an original trilogy remake is fair game for discussion. I definitely don't want to see a remake, but I find it interesting to think about. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 2/13 3:10pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	A casting suggestion-Dakota Fanning in a few more years as Leia; I saw Push earlier today and she acted her stick legs off. Practically stole the show from the older actors in the filmn. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/14 2:52pm Subject: RE: Official Thread: Classic Trilogy remake discussion
	jedimasterbac posted: I agree with you, but only if we're talking specifically about a remake of only the Original Trilogy. IMO, the entire Star Wars franchise (whether it be movies, TV shows, comics, novels, etc.) is creatively bankrupt and has jumped the shark in terms of absurdity on more than one occasion (every time they jump a shark, they find something to make a bigger jump over a bigger shark), so I wouldn't mind a reboot of ALL of it. That means PT, OT and EU. I also, personally, wouldn't presume to say that the way Star Wars is now is the BEST way to do have done them. There's always someone who can do something better, even if the original version was great. The above raises important questions with regard to this discussion. Shouldn't a remake of the entire Saga logically begin with the PT, in order to smooth over the inconsistencies from one trilogy to the next? If the answer is yes -- a SW remake should begin with Ep. I -- then the debate over an OT remake is rather pointless, since obviously LFL is not going to re-make a series of films that just climaxed less than four years ago. If the answer is no -- a SW remake should begin with Ep. IV -- then we need only concentrate on the possibility of an OT remake. Jedimasterbac, myself, and most people who have posted so far in this thread appear to be against such an idea. Given these points, isn't this whole discussion rather pointless? LFL isn't going to do it any time soon, and most fans are against it. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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