Jedi Council Forums - What did Vader want?

Locked Topic | Read Only Topic | Previous Active Topic | Next Active Topic

Author	Topic: What did Vader want?
SithLord_1270 Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 2/15 2:47pm Subject: What did Vader want?
	just what the hell did Vader want? In ESB, he talks to Luke about overthrowing the emperor. taking him down & restoring order to the galaxy. yet, in RotJ, when Luke attacks the Emperor, instead of helping Luke, he protects Palpatine. What? Why? Its his chance to destroy palpatine & become the master(Rule of Two). -----signature----- Two there should be; no moer, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
timmoishere Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 2/15 2:55pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	He wanted the Emperor out of the picture, but Luke wasn't quite angry enough, which is why Vader wanted to duel him some more. -----signature----- Will do moose stuff for money. Everything tastes better wrapped in bacon, especially bacon 11/20/2008: The day I married the most wonderful woman in the world.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
GuNgAnFaN3090 Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 2/15 3:01pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	My thoughts are that Vader was just saying this to Luke to get him to join Vader. Deep down he wanted to overthrow Palpy, but he didn't really consider it. Vader stuck with his master until he saw the error of his ways. That's when he, well, you know... -----signature----- QueenArdnassak is my insane e-girlfriend. Sith Warrior in the "SWC: Acolytes of Darkness" Dark Side Points: 55
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Qui-Gon_Reborn Title: Qui-Gon's Personal SWC Modsaber Registered: Dec '08	Date Posted: 2/15 4:52pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	He wanted peace. On his own terms. -----signature----- To be a true poet is to become God. - Dan Simmons Now bring me that horizon. - Capt. Jack Sparrow High Priestess in the Holy Order of the Circle-in-the-Sky Worshippers
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/15 5:18pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	Vader wanted to overthrow Palpatine, but he didn't have the courage to do it until Luke was being electrocuted. That goes back to Vader saying "you don't know the power of the dark side" and "I must obey my master". -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/15 6:02pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	New members should always check the Thread Catalogue before posting new threads about much-covered topics: http://boards.theforce.net/classic_trilogy/b10002/19900067/p1/?61 The consensus opinion on this question appears to be that Vader was biding his time before trying to turn Luke to his cause; Luke was not ready to turn to the dark side yet, so Vader blocked the blow against the Emperor, waiting for the time to be ripe to join forces with his son against Palpatine. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
vergeten Registered: Jan '09	Date Posted: 2/16 10:00am Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	Ofcourse Sidious wouldn't have let him be struck down by a inexperienced Force user as Luke. If Vader had not interfered than Sidious would have deflected the blow on his own way. Vader had no choice, he had to obey and protect his master. However, Vader could have deflected Luke's blow andimmediately afterwards struck Sidious. I guess Sidious was keen on any kind of attack on his life so that moment was not the right time to kill Sidious.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 2/16 12:04pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	Yeah, I thought the "consensus" in that old thread was that Palpy would have defended himself somehow (emphasised by his constant emphasis on how defenseless he was!) and things would have been reeeeeaaaaally bad for Vader had he not done anything. Actually saving the Emperor wouldn't make any sense. If it did, we wouldn't have threads on this Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: New members should always check the Thread Catalogue before posting new threads about much-covered topics: http://boards.theforce.net/classic_trilogy/b10002/19900067/p1/?61 Well, we're trying not to be too strict on that anymore. Or at least we're trying to seperate "old" from "recent". -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/16 1:18pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	In the interest of ongoing and stimulating discussion, I agree and understand! As to the opinion that the Emperor himself had his own defenses, I cannot disagree, since clearly that has been firmly established by ROTS. Just the same, I believe that Palpatine was so certain that Vader would block Luke's attack that he only needed to sit there and cackle rather than lift a finger to ward the blow himself. Sidious knew as well as Vader that the boy was not ready to "turn", so Vader had no choice but to block, pursuant to biding his (Vader's) time until Luke had slipped a little further into aggression and hatred. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Skyvader-1 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 2/16 10:42pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	It's a possibility that Sidious was controlling Vader's physical movements part of the time. An instance of this happened in the EU, when Vader was forced to kill his secret apprentice Tao. -----signature----- I'm getting too old for this.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
jedibri Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/19 5:39pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	Ya know what's funny? In Epi.I-III Sidious is pulling all the strings. Play both sides. Epi. V & VI Vader is playing both Sidious (by tealling him Luke can be turned and would be a good team player ect...ect...) While telling Luke to come with him (to overturn Sidious power.) Very good story telling by Lucas. -----signature----- Isaiah 41:13
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
DarthProf Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 2/21 6:03pm Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	jedibri posted: Ya know what's funny? In Epi.I-III Sidious is pulling all the strings. Play both sides. Epi. V & VI Vader is playing both Sidious (by tealling him Luke can be turned and would be a good team player ect...ect...) While telling Luke to come with him (to overturn Sidious power.) Very good story telling by Lucas. Treachery is the way of the Sith.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 2/22 4:41am Subject: RE: What did Vader want?
	though ^that line specifically is brilliant writing from Stover -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Delorean_Kenobi Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 2/24 3:42am Subject: What did Vader want? - Date Edited: 2/24 3:45am (1 edits total) Edited By: Delorean_Kenobi
	I think the simple reason is that Vader greatly feared the Emperor. He wanted Sidious out of the way but when he's in his presence he loses his nerve and is again reduced to a cowering servant. When he tried to get Luke to join him on Bespin the Emperor was lightyears away, but on the Death Star he was in his presence. He was under the Emperor's thumb and knew the Emperor could end his life easily by short circuiting his suit with Force Lightning. That's why he 'must obey his master' - the Emporer wouldn't have thought twice about punishing Vader. -----signature----- "It started out like Romeo & Juliet but then it ended so tragically..."
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 2/24 10:05pm Subject: What did Vader want?
	I never thought it was fear. I thought it was knowledge. Sidious was 20% stronger in the force than Vader and Vader knew it. He simply could not take him down alone - no way possible. They were using the same methods and Sidious was far better at it and did not leave himself open to attack (recall his wondrous idea of never sleeping like his master had). So Vader realized that unless Luke was willing to go at it with him, he couldn't do it. Vader never showed himself to be a chicken - he even defied Sidious on occassion - but when it came down to killing him, that was not possible through the dark force. So he enslaved himself pathetically instead - but still got to Lord it over the rest of the world. Of course once he became Anakin again, everything changed and naturally the good side always wins... -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Delorean_Kenobi Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 2/25 5:48am Subject: What did Vader want?
	I think by that time Vader wanted to control the galaxy and not be Sidious's apprentice any longer. If there's anything Sith crave beyond anything else it's the power to control. He'd had twenty years or so to learn from Palpatine and the time was coming for him to become the master, he just needed to find an apprentice of his own - Luke - and convince him to join him as his ally against the Emperor. You could almost see his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi as a kind of precursor to the fight he would one day face with Sidious ("When I left you I was but the learner now I am the Master"). The thing is that by the time of ROTJ he hadn't secured Luke as his new apprentice and wasn't sure if it was the right time to strike. He was still fearful of the power of the Emperor because for twenty years he has followed every order and knows that the Emperor was not easily fooled. Until he knew Luke was on his side he wasn't brave enough to take the next step. -----signature----- "It started out like Romeo & Juliet but then it ended so tragically..."
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History