Author Topic: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
vergeten 
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Date Posted: 2/16 10:03am Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
When Vader grabbed Sidious at the end of ROTJ Sidious must have tried to free himself of Vader's grip.

How did he try to break free? He could have used some Force powers to overthrow Vader couldn't he?
How did Vader keep Palpatine under control?

 

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eht13  651 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16 10:22am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader? - Date Edited: 2/16 10:24am (1 edits total) Edited By: eht13
Sidious/Palpatine redirected his force lightning at Vader, arching it backward over his head to hit Vader. Vader held on to him anyway just long enough to drop/throw him down the shaft. But the damage Vader sustained from that, especially to his life support systems, was the main reason he died not long after.


 

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vergeten 
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Date Posted: 2/16 3:13pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
eht13 posted:
Sidious/Palpatine redirected his force lightning at Vader, arching it backward over his head to hit Vader. Vader held on to him anyway just long enough to drop/throw him down the shaft. But the damage Vader sustained from that, especially to his life support systems, was the main reason he died not long after.





But is seems that Vader is doing something to Sidious so that Sisidous doesn't shoot lightning at vader at his full potential. the amount of lightning that Sidious shoots at Vader is not as much as he does with Luke.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16 3:24pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader? - Date Edited: 2/16 3:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
For all we know Force Lightning can't be bent like that. It's just the outlying lightning that arcs back.

 

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vergeten 
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Date Posted: 2/16 3:30pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
Master_Starwalker posted:
For all we know Force Lightning can't be bent like that. It's just the outlying lightning that arcs back.

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True, for all we know!
I hope that if ROTJ is ever to be remade that this particular scene is redone. Sidious is too strong to let his life end so quickly. If would be interesting when it would not be Vader surprising Sidious, but a full duel between Sidious and Vader.

 

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SithLord_1270  83 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16 7:06pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
eht13 posted:
Sidious/Palpatine redirected his force lightning at Vader, arching it backward over his head to hit Vader. Vader held on to him anyway just long enough to drop/throw him down the shaft. But the damage Vader sustained from that, especially to his life support systems, was the main reason he died not long after.





exactly.

 

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rsterling78  4884 posts
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Date Posted: 2/16 7:57pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
Basically, you've got a quadriplegic defeating a man who is physically 100 years old. In effect, the handicapped guy beat the nursing home patient.

That's what the Galactic Civil War boiled down to.

 

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Skyvader-1 
Registered: Feb '09
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Date Posted: 2/16 10:29pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
I guess Sidious was too old and decrepit to do much of anything about it.

 

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DarthBoba  32891 posts
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Date Posted: 2/21 9:21am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
vergeten posted:
eht13 posted:
Sidious/Palpatine redirected his force lightning at Vader, arching it backward over his head to hit Vader. Vader held on to him anyway just long enough to drop/throw him down the shaft. But the damage Vader sustained from that, especially to his life support systems, was the main reason he died not long after.





But is seems that Vader is doing something to Sidious so that Sisidous doesn't shoot lightning at vader at his full potential. the amount of lightning that Sidious shoots at Vader is not as much as he does with Luke.



Um...seriously? Vader got hit with bolts powerful enough to make his freaking bones glow. tongue














 

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VadersLaMent  24972 posts
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Date Posted: 2/22 6:24am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
I love those pics. I have not looked over the tech Commentaries in a while. This topic has come up before about the Force we do not see. When to Force wielders square off they are not just winging lightsabers at each other. Sense powers, shielding powers, mind attacks, distracting attacks, feeling and affecting the Force around them.
In this case too that may be going on but the lightning could also be out of control due to Palps feeling intense pain as a result of being carried by his spine in the iron grip of Vader.

 

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EECHUUTA  889 posts
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Date Posted: 2/22 10:52am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
I don't think Palpatine did much to stop Vader. What it looks like to me is Palpatine loses control of the Lightning, but is still generating it out of a panicked reflex. Palpatine can't really do much as he is very old and frail at this time, I think this is why he's looking terrified when Vader picks him up.

Otherwise he would have done a lot more then just generate Lightning. happy

 

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Dark--Helmet  294 posts
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Date Posted: 2/22 11:18am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
Good post EECHUUTA,I always thought that to.

I lot of people think Sid doesn't put up enough of a fight though,I think it's because the EU and PT made The Emperor into something he's not,which is some powerful force God instead of the weasley fork tongued manipulator he was.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 2/22 12:10pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
Except he's not really a fork-tongued manipulator in RotJ. He's a evil, cackling, wizard. The manipulator only really came into play during the Prequels.

 

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Dark--Helmet  294 posts
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Date Posted: 2/22 12:43pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader? - Date Edited: 2/22 12:46pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Dark--Helmet
No,he's alway been a manipulator since his first incarnation as a manipulative politician.The point was,he was originally supposed to be physically weak and sneaky,more powerful by his actions and words not a lightsaber wielding powerhouse.

 

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Date Posted: 2/22 7:47pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
vergeten posted:
Sidious is too strong to let his life end so quickly.


I disagree. It fits in perfectly with both the idea of an arrogant dictator and the Palpatine that was set up in the prequels. Palpatine is picked up from behind by his closest ally. From a real-world perspective, Julius Caesar was stabbed in the back by his closest advisers, including one of his best friends. From a saga perspective, Darth Plaugies was killed in his sleep by Palpatine. Palpatine's death is fitting in both regards, because it's a "stab in the back" by the person closest to him so he doesn't see it coming.

 

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EmeraldBlade  330 posts
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Date Posted: 2/22 9:52pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
I don't know exactly what Sidious did or did not do but Path of Destruction notes that powerful force users can get carried away with the lightning, losing focus of their surroundings.

Or something very close to that effect...

 

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