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Ree Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/23 2:45am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	The simple fact is, that by that time Sidious was old and decrepid. He shuffled around like an old man. Yes he was strong in the Force, but not in body I think. Using too much energy trying to prolong his life maybe?? So that's why he didn't do much to fend Vader off. I think anyway -----signature----- Grand Master of The New Jedi Trials http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/jaden1138/TheForceNet/NJTposter2.jpg "Jedi stabbing Jedi? How peverse." Super-stealth Spy/Slicer for the Rebellion
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 2/23 6:40am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	Ree posted: The simple fact is, that by that time Sidious was old and decrepid. He shuffled around like an old man. Yes he was strong in the Force, but not in body I think. Using too much energy trying to prolong his life maybe?? So that's why he didn't do much to fend Vader off. I think anyway Why would he need to prolong his life though? He was only around eighty-ish. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 2/23 11:12am Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	DarthBoba posted: Um...seriously? Vader got hit with bolts powerful enough to make his freaking bones glow. Yeah... the only other person we see get it like that is Mace. jedimasterbac posted: I disagree. It fits in perfectly with both the idea of an arrogant dictator and the Palpatine that was set up in the prequels. Palpatine is picked up from behind by his closest ally. From a real-world perspective, Julius Caesar was stabbed in the back by his closest advisers, including one of his best friends. From a saga perspective, Darth Plaugies was killed in his sleep by Palpatine. Palpatine's death is fitting in both regards, because it's a "stab in the back" by the person closest to him so he doesn't see it coming. Yes, well put. Palpatine was older at this point and probably didn't carry a lightsaber anymore... but with imperial guards, Force lightning, and other abilities via the Force he probably didn't think he really needed to. He never saw the attack from Vader coming, and the Force lighting redirection attack on Vader was all he could manage at the time. But it was a strong attack... Vader ended up dying from it, just not before Vader managed to kill Palpatine first.
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Ree Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/23 4:17pm Subject: RE: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	jedimasterbac posted: Ree posted: The simple fact is, that by that time Sidious was old and decrepid. He shuffled around like an old man. Yes he was strong in the Force, but not in body I think. Using too much energy trying to prolong his life maybe?? So that's why he didn't do much to fend Vader off. I think anyway Why would he need to prolong his life though? He was only around eighty-ish. You don't know that He could have been WAY older when he was parading around as a lowly Senator. And then he got bolted wiht his own lightning which should have killed him. Instead it just melted his face -----signature----- Grand Master of The New Jedi Trials http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/jaden1138/TheForceNet/NJTposter2.jpg "Jedi stabbing Jedi? How peverse." Super-stealth Spy/Slicer for the Rebellion
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skywalkerz Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 2/24 9:25pm Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	The thing is, Vader/Anakin had strong prosthetic legs. The emperor did not. As a result, the lightning had little effect on his movements.
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xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 2/24 9:54pm Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader? - Date Edited: 2/24 9:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: xx_Anakin_xx
	salavates at the idea of a Vader/Sidious duel....ya baby! You guys forget these were the strongest two force users in the galaxy. Yoda was 800, do you think he was a 10 lb weakling due to his age? Do you think he was ready for the old folks home and unable to put up a defense? Nope. at 750 he was kicking like a baby. Age just made them stronger. In the Radio Drama (canon according to GL), Sidious believes that he can "command" Vader with the Force - using his mind. They spoke it because it was on the radio, but he was commanding Vader to put him down as his master and controller. Vader would normally feel compulsion to do so because Sidious was stronger and the master - but Vader was dead. Anakin responded, "You are the master of Vader, but I am Anakin Skywalker" or some such and counting on the Force as he had before rather than the dark side, I figure, he was able to withstand the electric charges that Sidious subsequently poured on him (and yes he lit up, so he was getting good and hit), long enough to be rid of the dark lord. Note too, that by metaphorically killing Vader and becoming Anakin Skywalker again, he was not only no longer using the dark force (like Sidious was), but the Force in a stronger way with his mind settled on the right course. As the "Chosen One", in the midst of brining balance to the Force he'd have any mystical extra power that would provide I figure. Anyway - the fact is, whether Anakin actually called upon the Force per se, used brut strength or whatever, the Force was with him and behind his actions, so that I feel is what sustained him through Palpatine's charge. There is no way Palpy was an elderly, defeated man with less strength in than Vader. Vader was #2 in the entire galaxy according to GL - and that leaves only Sidious to be #1 - and Luke wasn't being counted at that point because he was just discovering the wonders of the Force (ANH). And another clarification - Sidious' electric charge didn't kill Vader, it eventually killed Anakin - which is important in that Anakin hadda kill Vader in order to bring balance - become 1 with the force after - blah blah blah. -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
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T-R- Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 2/25 3:06am Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	xx_Anakin_xx posted: And another clarification - Sidious' electric charge didn't kill Vader, it eventually killed Anakin - which is important in that Anakin hadda kill Vader in order to bring balance - become 1 with the force after - blah blah blah. To clarify, Anakin only had to kill the remaining sith lord, ending their line. Luke's love and compassion is what "killed" Vader and allowed Anakin back into the picture (it's why Anakin tells Luke he saved him), at which point Anakin physically killed the only Sith remaining. Interesting to note that in the screenplay/script it says Vader not Anakin. It only switches to Anakin after the helmet is taken off. -----signature----- Anakin Skywalker: Chosen One Luke Skywalker: Son of the Suns Two Prophecies Two Destinies ONE SAGA
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Synrebirth Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 2/25 3:55am Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	Lightning can be bent by the Force. I have no doubt Sidious bent it to kill Vader, who dutifully was busy snapping Sidious' spine, and lobbing him. Sidious may have been distracted in his destruction of Luke, which gave Vader the chance to attack, and in the Force I have no doubt the two were wrestling with each other, Sidious attempting to break Vader's grip, Vader latching on, the moment lasting long enough to see Sidious killed. Or, y'know, Sidious let himself be killed because [EU]he had a clone to head to.[/EU] -----signature----- Sinrebirth's Having Technical Difficulties Socks? Or something like that, I think. Either way, I'm here as Synrebirth. Don't get carried away workin me out. Y I Y I Y I E I E I O?
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 2/27 10:04am Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	Master_Starwalker posted: Except he's not really a fork-tongued manipulator in RotJ. He's a evil, cackling, wizard. The manipulator only really came into play during the Prequels. I thought that Lucas had the part written out and he had to be a manipulator because ANH mentions him dissolving the Senate. -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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esahr8 Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 3/1 11:33am Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	jedimasterbac posted: Why would he need to prolong his life though? He was only around eighty-ish. Eh, we don't know that for sure. He looks to be in his 50s-60s in Ep. 1, and in that time we see him become Supreme Chancellor, manage a war from both directions (both of which have to be extremely stressful, I mean look at Presidents when they leave office compared to before, and Palpatine was managing an entire galaxy), have to fight Mace Windu, fight Yoda, get hit with a serious dose of Force Lightning, deal with the Rebellion, losing the Death Star, the man had some serious stress. So by ROTJ he is in his 80s-90s. That's old. We don't see a whole lot of other humans running around in the galaxy who are in their 80s or 90s, so I don't believe that there is some kind of advancement in medical technology that makes living to that age typical. Therefore, even with the Force, Palpatine shouldn't have been able to put up much a fight against Vader at that point in time.
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celera Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 3/1 11:38am Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	"Except he's not really a fork-tongued manipulator in RotJ. He's a evil, cackling, wizard. The manipulator only really came into play during the Prequels." Palpatine seemed to lose his manipulation mojo in ROTJ. He wasn't very subtle when he tried to turn Luke. Not it could have really done much against someone as stubborn as Luke but seriously, he could have done a better job.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 3/1 3:42pm Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	Palpatine, at least to me, doesn't seem like the type to get stressed. Sure, his Episode I plan was ruined, but after that her firmly believed that he saw everything coming and that he knew full well how everything was going to turn out. If I had that belief, I wouldn't be stressed. I may open up a can of Jawa Juice and kick back every now and then, but I wouldn't call it stress. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 3/1 4:59pm Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	His episode I plan wasn't really that ruined; to be sure, Maul's death was a setback in that he'd have to train a new Apprentice-but Maul's death sent Sidious' new Apprentice right to him, and he did gain his ultimate goal: The Chancellery. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 3/1 5:15pm Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	I always thought that aside from becoming Supreme Chancellor, everything failed. I thought I remembered reading that he wanted the Invasion of Naboo to succeed and potentially start the war then, but he had to then push it back ten years because he had to start over. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 3/1 5:31pm Subject: What did Sidious do to stop Vader?
	I looked on the Wookiepedia page; I don't see anything about that, and there's a number of problems about it, really. 1. A big part of Sidious' plan was making it appear as though the Jedi started the war and were in fact behind it. There's really no way to tie the Jedi into starting the invasion of Naboo, at least, nothing as good as one of their former Masters being the Sep leader. 2. One of the presumed sides-the Republic-doesn't have an army to fight with. There's the system forces and the Judicial Department, but neither of those are personally loyal to Palpatine like the clonetroopers are, which was of critical importance to Palpatine's plot-I don't see regular soldiers executing Order 66 without a second thought, which leads to point number three... 3. Order 66 was the keystone to Palpatine's triumph, and it depended on the soldiers being so single-mindedly loyal that Palpatine simply had to give the order and it would be executed without a single doubt. If he attempted it with regular soldiers-who, by that point, may have been far more personally loyal to their Jedi commanders than to the Republic or Palpatine-it might have horrendously backfired and resulted in Palpatine being mercilessly hunted by an alerted Jedi Order with a galaxy's worth of soldiers at their command. If the clone army had been ready in time for Naboo, then there's no particular reason the war couldn't have started there-but it wasn't. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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