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Billy_Dee_Binks Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 2/20 5:11am Subject: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	In both the O-OT and 2004 versions of TESB it seems that Vader had always planned to destroy the Emperor with Luke by his side, should he join. Why would he want to freeze him in Carbonite, though? To make his transportation easier? Had he successfully delivered Luke to the Emperor, wouldn't he lose his window of opportunity of making him his apprentice, before the Emperor gets the chance? Surly he was aware of Palpatine's plan to have Luke destroy his father. -----signature----- I like all six Star Wars Episodes equally.
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DRush76 Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 2/20 7:42am Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	I would have answered . . . to deliver Luke to the Emperor. But as you had pointed out, that contradicts Vader's plan that he and Luke take out the Emperor. Even worse, he tried to freeze Luke before he revealed his intent to destroy Palpatine. So, I'm a little confused right now.
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timmoishere Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 2/20 10:16am Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	Vader's original plan was to deliver Luke to the Emperor, turn him to the dark side, then dispose of the Emperor. -----signature----- Will do moose stuff for money. Everything tastes better wrapped in bacon, especially bacon 11/20/2008: The day I married the most wonderful woman in the world.
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DarthDragon164 Registered: Jun '08	Date Posted: 2/20 2:59pm Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	I don't think Vader really knew what he wanted. I think that he wanted both to serve Sidious and also destroy him at the same time, which made is actions as contradictory as his intentions. -----signature----- We're Doing it Live! "It's a freakin' Trap, man!" -Ackbar on Spice Jedi Knight in the New Jedi Trials- Master to KotORBF2Female_Revan EU Podcast: http://www.vimeo.com/jedibeacon Arranged by Tom Wallace
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/20 3:21pm Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	There's nothing contradictory about Vader's plan to carbon-freeze Luke for transport to the Emperor. In order to meet and speak with the Emperor, Luke would have to be unfrozen at some point. Vader might have revealed his paternity at that point. With Luke weak and blind from the carbon sickness, this might have been an opportune moment for the revelation. The subsequent meeting with the Emperor would have then transpired in a similar fashion as to what actually did occur on the Death Star 2. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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Qui-Gon_Reborn Title: Qui-Gon's Personal SWC Modsaber Registered: Dec '08	Date Posted: 2/20 7:42pm Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	DarthDragon164 posted: I don't think Vader really knew what he wanted. I think that he wanted both to serve Sidious and also destroy him at the same time, which made is actions as contradictory as his intentions. I agree with this. Vader coveted Sidious's knowledge, but wanted to forge his own peace on his own terms. I think that is how Sidious managed to keep him on a leash. -----signature----- To be a true poet is to become God. - Dan Simmons Now bring me that horizon. - Capt. Jack Sparrow High Priestess in the Holy Order of the Circle-in-the-Sky Worshippers
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rsterling78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 2/20 8:27pm Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	I've always thought the whole carbonite freeze thing was a little odd. "Freezing" someone in carbonite sounds and looks an awful lot like encasing them in metal. When Lando says has is "alive...and in perfect hibernation" I want to say, "Well, of course he's not. He's dead!" Why not just lead Luke into a room and release knock-out gas or some such thing. Sort of like what Nute Gunray tried in TPM except don't open the doors after 10 seconds. After Luke is unconscious, start an IV drip of a sedative.
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timmoishere Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 2/21 7:23am Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	Because it is notoriously difficult to ensure that a Jedi stays where you put him. Freezing in carbonite or suspended in a Force-inhibiting field (such as what Obi-Wan was in in AOTC) are some of the more reliable ways. -----signature----- Will do moose stuff for money. Everything tastes better wrapped in bacon, especially bacon 11/20/2008: The day I married the most wonderful woman in the world.
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JEDI-RISING Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 2/21 7:54am Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	For his journey to the Emporer. Seriously, i think Vader's motivation is hard to get a handle on. GL claims that Vader wanted Luke to help him destroy the Emporer, and yet in ROTJ he stops Luke from hitting the Emporer with his lightsaber. -----signature----- "Mostly because of my father i guess" "Ah, father. Powerful Jedi was he ,mmm, powerful Jedi."
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/21 8:33am Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	There is another, new thread questioning Vader's motives in blocking Luke's saber. Either Vader was biding his time, waiting for the right moment (when Luke had slipped farther toward the Dark Side) to try to unite with his son against Palpatine, OR Vader knew the Emperor was not without his own defenses (see ROTS) and he HAD to block the strike or else the Emperor would have been extremely angry with Vader. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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Daft-Vader Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 2/22 4:15am Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: There is another, new thread questioning Vader's motives in blocking Luke's saber. Either Vader was biding his time, waiting for the right moment (when Luke had slipped farther toward the Dark Side) to try to unite with his son against Palpatine, OR Vader knew the Emperor was not without his own defenses (see ROTS) and he HAD to block the strike or else the Emperor would have been extremely angry with Vader. Technically, if Vader hadn't blocked, the last sentence should have been he HAD to block the strike or else the Emperor would have been extremely cut in half. Seriously thought, I think Vader knew that even if Luke struck the Emperor down, it wouldn't mean that he would instantaneously be turned to the Dark Side, Anakin killed Dooku similarly, but still didn't turn to the Dark Side a few days/weeks later after more prodding from Sids... Thing Vader should have considered, if Luke turned to the Dark Side, with Sids guidance, who would emd up in the worst position, Vader or Sidious, would Luke kill Vader, the man who destroyed Obi-Wan, or Sidious, the man who has not really down anything bad towards Luke personally... -----signature----- "Do you think he came out of the womb wearing a breather and black helmet?" Luke S. Official Coolian & JC Musketeer Vote Lando Calrissian for Galactic President/Gummy for President Propaganda Minister and LORD of the SWC Empire; Senator for Mustafar
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Ree Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/23 4:22pm Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	If you remember, he didn't drop the fact he was Luke's dad until after he had tried to freeze him. And my impression was always that it took Vader a while to accept that Luke WAS his son. Maybe the idea had just come to him while they were dueling?? He saw he wasn't going to win the fight easily so he dropped the informational bomb on Luke to throw him. I also got hte impression that perhaps Vader just offered for the two of them to rule the galaxy as a way to entice Luke back to the Emperor. -----signature----- Grand Master of The New Jedi Trials http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/jaden1138/TheForceNet/NJTposter2.jpg "Jedi stabbing Jedi? How peverse." Super-stealth Spy/Slicer for the Rebellion
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therufus Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 2/23 7:49pm Subject: RE: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	I don't think that Vader ever really expected Luke to get frozen. The whole duel is Vader's test to find out if Luke is ready to join him to finally overthrow the Emperor. Luke passed when even as he lay defeated with his hand freshly chopped he still got up to at least retreat. -----signature----- Wood chuck "How much wood can I chuck?" DM "Roll a d20 and add your chucking modifier."
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GrandAdmiral_Frank Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 2/27 10:08am Subject: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	Carbonite means he ain't escaping. What if Vader had had Luke taken somewhere in hiding and taught him the darkside in secret telling Palpatine that Luke had been killed on Bespin? -----signature----- Member of the Han Solo and Chewbacca FanClub Member of the TFF Winner of the PT Rewrite Challenge Four "Don't make me destroy you"-Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
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goraq Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 2/27 10:10am Subject: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	Maybre he wanted too train him in secret like he did it with Galen. -----signature----- ,,Power is tearing human minds apart and putting them back together in new shapes of your own choosing. ,,
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EECHUUTA Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 2/27 3:18pm Subject: Why would Vader want to freeze Luke?
	rsterling78 posted: I've always thought the whole carbonite freeze thing was a little odd. "Freezing" someone in carbonite sounds and looks an awful lot like encasing them in metal. When Lando says has is "alive...and in perfect hibernation" I want to say, "Well, of course he's not. He's dead!" Why not just lead Luke into a room and release knock-out gas or some such thing. Sort of like what Nute Gunray tried in TPM except don't open the doors after 10 seconds. After Luke is unconscious, start an IV drip of a sedative. Its probable the carbonite freezing process puts the victim in suspended animation. This isn't the same as death, as some animals in the wild go for months or years in this suspended state. Their body temperatures drop, their heart rates slow down almost to the point of stopping, and their metabolism, oxygen needs and food requirements are reduced considerably. But once they are revived, they return to normal. Carbonite does this by deep freezing. -----signature----- I sense a disturbance in the Forums. As if a million spam threads cried out in terror, and were suddenly locked. Does action, figure?
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