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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/2 9:35am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/2 9:40am (2 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	jedimasterbac posted: When we start saying that, I think we're getting too analytical Guilty as charged. jedimasterbac posted: Merlin covered that by talking about the difference between reality and fiction in this regard. The lack of omniscience holds in both cases. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 3/2 10:49am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	She doesn't need to be omniscient when she has the Force. Remember what Yoda said: "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past. Old friends long gone." -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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R2-918 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 3/2 1:23pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	I think that the 'feelings' and 'images' that Leia has about Padme are due to the force. Remember in Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan was holding infant Leia right next to Padme right before she died. When she died Leia started to cry, Luke was not physically close to Padme as she died but Leia was being held by Obi-Wan very close to Padme. I thought maybe this has something to do with Luke not remembering his mother and Leia having some memory of her mother.
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BaronFel88 Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 3/2 4:17pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Lucas didn't do himself any favors shoehorning Luke and Leia together after opting not to make episodes VII-IX, because it required delicate storytelling to tie the ends together. I'm sure Lucas kept that in the back of his mind for the prequels, but by the time they were produced, the framework set up made if pretty difficult. Padme had to be taken out of the picture, and Vader had to be kept out of the loop regarding her children, so there are few options. That said, Leia's force visions are a bit of a reach, even for a fantasy film. -----signature----- "Oh the pain" "What a disgrace" -Joe Benigno
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Palp_Faction Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 3/2 4:58pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	I'd be interested to know who the Organas claimed Leia's mother was. There would be HUGE speculation in the press. They could have claimed it was a secret, but that would just invite tongues to wag. If a head of state suddenly has an adopted daughter, people are going to want to know where she came from. They could have said she was an orphan, her parents, unknown, thought killed in the Clone Wars. I think we're all agreed that Leia was referring to Padme - but, for those who want to fill in the plot hole other than with the "force-memory" theory, it's an alternative explanation that Leia was actually remembering someone else whom she was told was her real mother. -----signature----- ROTS, ESB, ANH, AOTC, TPM, ROTJ
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/2 5:09pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	jedimasterbac posted: She doesn't need to be omniscient when she has the Force. Remember what Yoda said: "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past. Old friends long gone." I don't have a problem with the Force explanation. I'm just saying that her memories could be of someone else ( not Breha ), even though she assumes them to be of her real mother. Or it's the Force. Another possibility is that she was shown images or holorecordings of Padme at a young age. In the comic version of The Last Command there is a panel with Leia and child standing underneath a large painting of Natalie Portman. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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Eliza_Skywalker Registered: May '06	Date Posted: 3/3 6:48am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Things would be much easier if the dialogue would go like this: Luke: Do you remember your mother? Leia: No, I don't. Luke: I don't remember her, too ... Leia: Why are you asking me this? ... This would also give Luke the chance to talk about her family relationship without needing any force explanation (which I don't like) or plot-hole. -----signature----- Leia: Accept these, the highest decoration the Alliance can bestow, for your gallantry. Han Solo... Han: You still can't come up with any more cash, huh? Leia (smiling): Han, if you don't act like a grown-up, I'll strangle you with it.
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DRush76 Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 3/5 6:17pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	LEIA Just a little bit. She died when I was very young. LUKE What do you remember? LEIA Just...images, really. Feelings. Images? Feelings? Sounds like Leia's memories of Padme are very vague . . . and could be attributed to a Force connection around the time of her birth.
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rsterling78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 3/5 10:28pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	DRush76 posted: LEIA Just a little bit. She died when I was very young. Uh, yeah, Leia. You were about 60 seconds old at the time!
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Lady_Skywalker87 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/6 7:26pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/6 7:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Lady_Skywalker87
	DRush76 posted: LEIA Just a little bit. She died when I was very young. LUKE What do you remember? LEIA Just...images, really. Feelings. Images? Feelings? Sounds like Leia's memories of Padme are very vague . . . and could be attributed to a Force connection around the time of her birth. I agree...in light of the PT it, could also be attribued to the short lived bond she may have shared with her father while in her mother's womb. Acording to the ROTS novel, Anakin belived the baby was a girl ...Leia's force abilties could've been heighten every time Anakin felt the baby & things like that... which also have affected Leia at the time of birth... -----signature----- 5/19/09:10 Years of the Beginngi!4 Years of the End! Attachment:a feeling that binds one to a person, thing, cause, ideal, or the like; devotion; regard.Attachment itself is not the problem.The prob is attaching yourself like Ani did!
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Lady_Skywalker87 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/7 8:57am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	R2-918 posted: I think that the 'feelings' and 'images' that Leia has about Padme are due to the force. Remember in Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan was holding infant Leia right next to Padme right before she died. When she died Leia started to cry, Luke was not physically close to Padme as she died but Leia was being held by Obi-Wan very close to Padme. I thought maybe this has something to do with Luke not remembering his mother and Leia having some memory of her mother. I thought that Obi was had been holding Luke the whole time... -----signature----- 5/19/09:10 Years of the Beginngi!4 Years of the End! Attachment:a feeling that binds one to a person, thing, cause, ideal, or the like; devotion; regard.Attachment itself is not the problem.The prob is attaching yourself like Ani did!
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Sarlacci Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/9 11:27am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Leia is force sensitive. It's that simple. If you watch all 6 films in chronological order, it's actually quite a good scene as it puts you in mind of Padmés tragic demise.. and also hints at Leia's potential destiny..
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/10 11:56am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Real World: Continuity Error
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woj101 Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/12 4:13pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Jedimaster Bac posted on page 1 that Luke wants to know about his mother, and therefore if Leia is remembering anyone other than Padme the significance of the scene is lost, but I disagree, and I agree somewhat with Sarlacci. To me, the scene is not about Leia's memories, it's about Luke telling Leia she's his sister. That's not to say, obviously, that Luke isn't interested in Leia's memories, of course he'd like to know what she remembers, but ultimately, whatever Leia's answer e.g. "Yes, she was a drunk who kept slapping me around and sleeping with jawas" or "No", it doesn't change the purpose or significance of the scene - Leia is still learning that she is a Skywalker, that Luke is leaving to confront Vader and that if he died she would be the 'last hope' for the Alliance. The fact that Leia does actually say "Just...images, really. Feelings... She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad" only adds emotional gravitas to the scene, particularly given the theory that Padme died of a broken heart, and is quite justifiable from the view taken by R2-918, Lady_Skywalker87 and DRush76 - that Force sensitivity can lead to visions of loved ones and memories. I'm not at any stage saying that when ROTJ was filmed this was exactly what Lucas had in mind, but if you know anything about Star Wars beyond the outer skin and are not just a casual observer, saying it is a continuity error or plot hole can not be justified, in my opinion. -----signature----- You've failed Your Highness. I am a cider-drinker, like my father before me.
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/12 4:46pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	1. We know from ESB that a Force-sensitive individual can see "other places; the future; the past; old friends long gone." 2. We know from ROTJ that Leia is a Force-sensitive individual. 3. Therefore, Leia could have seen visions of her mother, who lived in "the past" and is now "long gone". The dialogue is very clear. 1 + 2 = 3. This would account for Leia's memory of her mother without having to invent fanciful explanations unsupported by the films. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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