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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/16 3:47pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	It’s all in what she said. Firstly, she died when she was very young, not when she was born. I don’t believe any of that farcical nonsense at all about her eyes being open and Luke’s not. She was implying that she knew her mother for a brief time when she was an infant after they went into hiding, and that her mother was pining up until her death over the lose of Anakin to the Dark Side, or maybe she even thought he was dead. Upon her mother’s death Leia was handed over to the Royal Family of Alderaan to be raised as their own. My guess is that’s where Leia and her mother went to live after she was born and Luke was taken to Tatooine by Obi-Wan.
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woj101 Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/16 3:50pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	But if Leia doesn't know she was adopted, then who she thinks is her 'real' mother is unreliable. Luke asks the question using the word 'real' because by then he knows Leia must have had at least two 'mothers'. But if Leia was adopted by the Organas, then Mrs. Organa dies and Bail remarries etc etc, then Leia could have had at least 3 'mothers', and who is to say she knows her true heritage? Leia not knowing does not make Luke's question any less relevant. -----signature----- You've failed Your Highness. I am a cider-drinker, like my father before me.
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oo-tee-dee Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/16 8:43pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/16 9:16pm (13 edits total) Edited By: oo-tee-dee
	Now that I think of it, Leia should have realized that her adopted parents were not her own. If she didn't, then that would mean that Bail Organa married her mother (Miss Organa, who she assumes is her real mother) after Anakin Skywalker (who she KNOWS to be her real father) turned into Darth Vader. This doesn't make sense because Leia would believe that Miss Organa was the ex-wife of Darth Vader (something highly improbable, though not impossible). The only way it would make sense is if Darth Vader's whole reason for turning to the Dark Side had nothing to do with his wife (which we all know is not the case). So it all comes down to whether or not Leia feels that Darth Vader had strong feelings towards their real mother. If she believes that he did, then she knows that she was adopted. If she believes that he didn't, then she believes that she was not adopted. Since it was never mentioned to Luke or Leia (at least not in the films) that Darth Vader's reason for turning to the Dark Side had to do with their mother, one must assume Leia thought that she was NOT adopted (*according to the films themselves and not anything from the novels, EU, or some sort of message conveyed via Obi-Wan). Basically there is no single answer (unless you believe in one of the "force sensitive" or "eyes open" theories). Either you assume one thing or you assume the other.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/17 6:01am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	She obviously knows she was adopted, from the dialogue in the film. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/17 7:23am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Arawn_Fenn posted: She obviously knows she was adopted, from the dialogue in the film. Yes, that's most likely the case. Mrs. Skywalker dies sometime after settling on Alderaan leaving Leia Skywalker to be adopted by the Organas. QED And the original reason for Anakin turning to the Dark Side was more than likely for the usual reason...POWER, rather than for the overly sentimental and unlikely reason he turned in ROTS. Remember the old adage, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 3/18 4:05pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	I think Leia may be self-delusional, and believes what she imagines. Look at it from this point of view, all the Jedi padawans are taken away from their birth parents when they are very young. Yet, we didnt see any other Jedi mention that they had memory of their parents. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/19 4:17am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/19 4:19am (1 edits total) Edited By: Black-Tiger
	I know from some of these posts what people are trying to do. A lot of you are either trying to figure out the mess (i.e. continuity errors) Lucas has written things into, or they’re trying to explain away his mashed up scripts. For a start, as of the writing of ROTJ I don’t believe she was delusional, because at the time it hadn’t been written into the plot that all Jedi are taken away from their parents at birth. Even if so, by the time Luke and Leia were born all those rules were out of the window anyway because all the Jedi were dead except for Kenobi and Yoda, and they were in hiding anyway. Secondly, when ESB was written “The Other” wasn’t even Leia, and Luke’s sister had no knowledge of her past anyway. But as things turned out Leia knew full well that the Organa's weren’t her real family because she had faint memories or her real mother. Nothing can get any plainer than that, that by the time Leia was written in as "The Other" she was given faint memories that she was really adopted by the Organa's.
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 3/20 6:28am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/20 6:31am (2 edits total) Edited By: voodoopuuduu
	Nothing can get any plainer than that, that by the time Leia was written in as "The Other" she was given faint memories that she was really adopted by the Organa's. True. But that still doesnt prove she wasnt delusional, heh. And it doesnt prove that the rest of us arent delusional in thinking that we can explain away GLs plot hole, heh, heh. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/20 7:08am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	voodoopuuduu posted: Nothing can get any plainer than that, that by the time Leia was written in as "The Other" she was given faint memories that she was really adopted by the Organa's. True. But that still doesnt prove she wasnt delusional, heh. And it doesnt prove that the rest of us arent delusional in thinking that we can explain away GLs plot hole, heh, heh. No, I just think that a lot of people here like to DANCE to Lucas' present tune and disregard anything he's said previously that might be "contradictory".
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woj101 Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/21 5:03pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Black-Tiger posted: ... at the time it hadn’t been written into the plot that all Jedi are taken away from their parents at birth. Even if so, by the time Luke and Leia were born all those rules were out of the window anyway because all the Jedi were dead except for Kenobi and Yoda, and they were in hiding anyway. - as Voodoopuuduu states, how does any of this mean Leia can't be delusional? The fact is, Leia was taken away from her parents when she was born, so how has the fact that the youngling policy didn't exist when ROTJ was written got anything to do with this? I'm not even suggesting she was 'delusional' anyway, but your critique of Voodoopuuduu's idea (however tongue-in-cheek it may have been in the first place) is flawed. Black-Tiger posted: ... when ESB was written “The Other” wasn’t even Leia, and Luke’s sister had no knowledge of her past anyway. But as things turned out Leia knew full well that the Organa's weren’t her real family because she had faint memories or her real mother. Nothing can get any plainer than that, that by the time Leia was written in as "The Other" she was given faint memories that she was really adopted by the Organa's. - I'm not sure I fully understand what you're trying to say here, but it seems to me you are concerned by the way the relationship between Luke and Leai may have been 'conveniently' changed during the development of the Original Trilogy. But to me, complaining about that is a bit like complaining "It's such a continuity error that Vader is actually a good guy. In A New Hope he was a total badass - how do you explain that plot hole, Lucas, you chump". So what if the perception we're supposed to have of Luke and Leia as brother and sister isn't the same as how it was originally written. The fact is, there is nothing in the 6-film saga that explicitly contradicts the idea of Leia having memories of who she thinks is her real mother. Obviously some people would only be happy if there was an extension to the birth scene in ROTS where Luke get's taken out of the room, Leia goes over to Padme (eyes wide open) and says, "Hi, you must be my real mother. You are very beautiful, and kind, but sad." Then we see Padme die before Leia continues, "Oh dear, you've just died, and I'm very young". Let them be unhappy. -----signature----- You've failed Your Highness. I am a cider-drinker, like my father before me.
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 3/21 7:42pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/21 7:54pm (2 edits total) Edited By: voodoopuuduu
	- as Voodoopuuduu states, how does any of this mean Leia can't be delusional? The fact is, Leia was taken away from her parents when she was born, so how has the fact that the youngling policy didn't exist when ROTJ was written got anything to do with this? Right. Plus we never see the two remaining Jedi, Yoda and Obi-Wan, mention their parents (except for Lucas' comment about Yoda being the offspring of Kermit and Miss Piggy, heh). The fact is, there is nothing in the 6-film saga that explicitly contradicts the idea of Leia having memories of who she thinks is her real mother. Yep, that I guess is the key point, who SHE thinks is her real mother. I dont doubt Leias strong belief, but whether its true or not is another story. Looking at that scene again, it actually looks like Luke doesnt really believe Leias memory of her mother either. I see him as puzzled as to why she would say what she did. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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jedimaster_disney Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/21 9:36pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	ive always wondered if i had mitichlorines in me. because this one time i was alone, and i looked at the thermostat and it turned on. weird eh. i know totally cool.
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Lady_Skywalker87 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/22 12:04am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/22 12:10am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lady_Skywalker87
	Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: then why does Luke have NO memory of Padme? As I said on my privious post, Anakin believed he was going to be father of baby girl therefore his focus & force energy would concentrate on the baby girl. "Your focus determines your reality."- Qui-Gon to Anakin in TPM Luke was Padme's belief & as far as we know, though I believe otherwise(she was like Shmi)...she was not force sensitive. voodoopuuduu posted: The fact is, there is nothing in the 6-film saga that explicitly contradicts the idea of Leia having memories of who she thinks is her real mother. Yep, that I guess is the key point, who SHE thinks is her real mother. I dont doubt Leias strong belief, but whether its true or not is another story. Looking at that scene again, it actually looks like Luke doesnt really believe Leias memory of her mother either. I see him as puzzled as to why she would say what she did. hmmm...never actually thought of it that way to me Luke is kind of disappointed that Leia was not as explicit as he had hoped while Leia seem reluctant to talk about her & only did so because of her brother's insistance. It's amazing how each person has their own interptation of a scene ...the beauty of Star Wars. -----signature----- 5/19/09:10 Years of the Beginngi!4 Years of the End! Attachment:a feeling that binds one to a person, thing, cause, ideal, or the like; devotion; regard.Attachment itself is not the problem.The prob is attaching yourself like Ani did!
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 3/22 3:09am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	It's amazing how each person has their own interptation of a scene ...the beauty of Star Wars. Yeah, some scenes I look at again after thinking about all the possibilities of what is or could be going on. So, if I take on the the assumption that Leia is self-deluded, and Luke doesnt really believe her, I look at that scene again, from that "certain point of view". Like Qui-Gon said, "Your focus determines your reality", heh. Lucas may have specifically put those two above phrases (point of view/focus reality) in the films just for the purpose of having us analyze his movies, or to drive us nuts, heh. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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Lady_Skywalker87 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/22 8:54am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/22 8:56am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lady_Skywalker87
	voodoopuuduu posted: Lucas may have specifically put those two above phrases (point of view/focus reality) in the films just for the purpose of having us analyze his movies, or to drive us nuts, heh. could very well be both! -----signature----- 5/19/09:10 Years of the Beginngi!4 Years of the End! Attachment:a feeling that binds one to a person, thing, cause, ideal, or the like; devotion; regard.Attachment itself is not the problem.The prob is attaching yourself like Ani did!
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