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Lady_Skywalker87 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/22 9:06am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Black-Tiger posted: And the original reason for Anakin turning to the Dark Side was more than likely for the usual reason...POWER, rather than for the overly sentimental and unlikely reason he turned in ROTS. Remember the old adage, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I don't really understand your post because in end Anakin's fell because of quest for POWER... -----signature----- 5/19/09:10 Years of the Beginngi!4 Years of the End! Attachment:a feeling that binds one to a person, thing, cause, ideal, or the like; devotion; regard.Attachment itself is not the problem.The prob is attaching yourself like Ani did!
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Palp_Faction Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 3/22 10:20am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Well, my personal belief is that Leia (and the general public) were led to believe that somone else was Leia's mother and that woman, whoever she was, died when Leia was very young. I know Lucas would have us believe that it was a Force vision or whatever, but using the Force as an excuse to paste over every plot hole is weak storytelling. I think it's much more plausible that the Organa's lied to everyone, including Leia, about Leia's true parentage. -----signature----- ROTS, ESB, ANH, AOTC, TPM, ROTJ
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/22 1:09pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Lady_Skywalker87 posted: Black-Tiger posted: And the original reason for Anakin turning to the Dark Side was more than likely for the usual reason...POWER, rather than for the overly sentimental and unlikely reason he turned in ROTS. Remember the old adage, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I don't really understand your post because in end Anakin's fell because of quest for POWER... I mean he turned to the Dark Side in order to gain conventional political power rather than using it in order to save his Mrs. I was meaning political power rather than Force power.
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TOSCHISTATION Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 3/22 4:44pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	oo-tee-dee posted: The only way it would make sense is if Darth Vader's whole reason for turning to the Dark Side had nothing to do with his wife (which we all know is not the case). Actually, that WAS the case when ROTJ was originally released.
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Lady_Skywalker87 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 3/22 9:34pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Palp_Faction posted: I think it's much more plausible that the Organa's lied to everyone, including Leia, about Leia's true parentage. True...I believe that Bail may have kept his wife in the dark as well as the general public about Leia's true parentage...but I believe he could have told Leia about her birth mother in his own way as a way to honor his colleague's memory... Black-Tiger posted: I mean he turned to the Dark Side in order to gain conventional political power rather than using it in order to save his Mrs. I was meaning political power rather than Force power. Interesting...I belive it was a good combinaion of both but perhaps this isn't the thread to disscuss it...is there a thread where we can? if not I'll make one, unless someone beats me to it! -----signature----- 5/19/09:10 Years of the Beginngi!4 Years of the End! Attachment:a feeling that binds one to a person, thing, cause, ideal, or the like; devotion; regard.Attachment itself is not the problem.The prob is attaching yourself like Ani did!
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/23 3:14am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/23 3:15am (1 edits total) Edited By: Black-Tiger
	If you wish to make a thread on the subject go straight ahead. But I do still think it would’ve been more realistic if he’d turned for a reason more realistic and less naïve, in a literary sense.
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Ord-Mantell70 Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/23 4:50pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Black-Tiger posted: If you wish to make a thread on the subject go straight ahead. But I do still think it would’ve been more realistic if he’d turned for a reason more realistic and less naïve, in a literary sense. I totally concur. Anakin's turn in ROTS in order to save his wife from death is disappointing and not really believable, besides he clearly knows Palpy/Sidious is evil and the puppetmaster behind the Clone Wars and the Jedi wiping out, making it even more unbelievable (this could also apply to Luke's possible turn in ROTJ). Actually, the Emperor should have been made a more ambiguous character, not purely evil from the beginning, as he was originally. Anyway, Leia's rememberance of her mother remains the main plothole between the 2 trilogies, whatever explaination, and it is also written in ROTJ novel that indeed Luke and Leia's mother survived and went to Alderaan with leia, clearly showing that the story was changed in between. My guess is that, as Padme is not seen in the OT, Lucas unfortunately decided to kill her, in order to avoid key elements to happen off-screen between the 2 trilogies, regardless of the continuity of events and the depth of the story. -----signature----- "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes."- Leïa Organa, Journal of the Whills. "Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them"
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Palp_Faction Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 3/23 5:43pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/23 5:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Palp_Faction
	As if Lucas would ever have key elements appear offscreen........ -----signature----- ROTS, ESB, ANH, AOTC, TPM, ROTJ
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/24 6:39am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Ord-Mantell70 posted: My guess is that, as Padme is not seen in the OT, Lucas unfortunately decided to kill her, in order to avoid key elements to happen off-screen between the 2 trilogies, regardless of the continuity of events and the depth of the story. I have no idea why Lucas does this, resort to explaining every little thing to the viewer as if we’re too dumb to work things out for ourselves. Why explain where 3PO came from? Why explain how Yoda got to Dagobah? He even explained how Vader got back to his Command Ship after his battle with Luke in the so-called "Special Edition" of ESB! What, does he think we’re too thick to realise that Vader had a shuttle waiting for him on Cloud City and the thing can fly him back to Executor?! Really annoying, this patronising he does of the viewer, especially when it breaks up the drama of the getaway scene at the end of ESB.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/24 6:49am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory - Date Edited: 3/24 6:51am (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	Black-Tiger posted: What, does he think we’re too thick to realise that Vader had a shuttle waiting for him on Cloud City and the thing can fly him back to Executor?! Probably not, because in the original dialogue Vader mentions said shuttle explicitly. Black-Tiger posted: I have no idea why Lucas does this, resort to explaining every little thing to the viewer as if we’re too dumb to work things out for ourselves. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. On other topics ( as seen with AOTC ) he's pilloried for not explaining every last thing. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Nordom Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 3/24 8:25am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Arawn_Fenn posted: He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. On other topics ( as seen with AOTC ) he's pilloried for not explaining every last thing. Not really because I see them as the same type of flaw, focusing on the wrong things. Explaining obvious things and wasting screen time and then skipping over important character development or significant plot points. Ex. when AotC ends there is still a mystery of who actually ordered the clone army but in RotS the matter is simply dropped. Also in aotC the jedi's actions or lack of actions makes very little sense and they come across as retards because of it. In AotC, why does Padmes suspect Dooku when he would be the last person to want her dead, from what she knows. Between TPM and AotC what have the jedi done about the Sith? Why didn't Anakin, Padme or the jedi try to free Smhi from slavery? Charcterwise, Anakin changes very abruptly between TPM and AotC and I felt like he was two different characters. Character motivation, what does the TF actually want in TPM? or what does the separatists actually want in AotC? Or for that matter, why does the Sith want revenge? It is the title of the third film and yet we get no clear reason why the Sith are pissed at the jedi. In closing I feel that the PT contains a number of very good ideas but the execution is sometimes flawed. Regards Nordom -----signature----- "I think, therefore I am.. I think" "Morte, how do you stay afloat?" "Flatulence, you stupid polygon"
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Palp_Faction Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 3/24 8:48am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	I watched ESB for the first time in ages the other night and that "shuttle business" really jars. I have no idea why it was put in there. It makes as much sense as seeing a scene with Han using the bathroom onboard the Falcon. -----signature----- ROTS, ESB, ANH, AOTC, TPM, ROTJ
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 3/24 8:50am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Nordom posted: Arawn_Fenn posted: He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. On other topics ( as seen with AOTC ) he's pilloried for not explaining every last thing. Not really because I see them as the same type of flaw, focusing on the wrong things. Explaining obvious things and wasting screen time and then skipping over important character development or significant plot points. Exactly.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/24 2:18pm Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Nordom posted: Also in aotC the jedi's actions or lack of actions makes very little sense and they come across as retards because of it. Only if your concept of intelligence is a binary value of either "OMNISCIENT" or "RETARD" with nothing in between. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Nordom Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 3/25 12:38am Subject: Do you remember your real mother? - A new theory
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Only if your concept of intelligence is a binary value of either "OMNISCIENT" or "RETARD" with nothing in between. Hardly, anyone with anything close to a normal intelligence would be able to smell a whole host of rats based on what the jedi know in AotC. Also anyone with close to normal intelligence would do far more than the jedi apparently do, question far more and be able to put two and two together. The jedi ignore or seem to ignore severall highly suspicious facts, makes no effort to investigate many of the mysteries they find and seem to have a great deal of difficulty putting the various pieces together. Case in point, Obi-Wan when faced with the planet Kamino not being in the jedi arrchives when he is sure it is there seems totally unable to consider the possibility that the file was deleted. Part of the problem I belive is that the clone army plot was changed quite late, as far as I can tell in post-production. Sido-Dyas became Sifo-Dyas. In the third draft, dated sept 2001, after shooting was complete, Sido-Dyas is still in the script. Regards Nordom -----signature----- "I think, therefore I am.. I think" "Morte, how do you stay afloat?" "Flatulence, you stupid polygon"
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