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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/27 10:06am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Obi-Wan is just a dirty dog liar. I saw the PT and he owned whole platoons of droids, one after another. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 3/29 8:19am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	TwiLekJedi posted: Obviously, nothing in the films indicate that Obi-Wan doesn't know who R2 is. The much better question is why the line was written to be so ambiguous. A simple answer could be that because the droids are meant to practically tell the story, for once GL actually did have in mind that R2 and Obi-Wan had met. Especially seeing how Leia knows Obi-Wan. It doesn't have to mean GL knew Obi-Wan knew R2 because R2 once belonged to Anakin, only that he knew R2's current owners in the past (Bail Organa). The only time I have heard Obi-Wan mentioned R2 was in the beginning scenes of Episode III. Im sure, 19 years later (0 BBY - A New Hope) he does remember the droid. The question to if Obi-Wan remembers R2 is indeed ambiguous. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 3/29 8:46am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Obi-Wan is just a dirty dog liar. I saw the PT and he owned whole platoons of droids, one after another. Maybe he meant it in the hippy, "You can't own a droid, man." kind of way. I mean he never understood Anakin's attachment to Artoo. Come on, didn't anyone notice the apprehensive look he gave Artoo while talking to Luke? He knew the droid. -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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SoonerSean Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 3/29 1:45pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2 - Date Edited: 3/29 1:46pm (1 edits total) Edited By: SoonerSean
	Until Obi Wan sees the message from Leia... he's probably worried that these two droids are going to screw up the brilliant cover job he's maintained since Luke was born, i.e. he's worried what R2 is doing on Tatooine and how it could endanger Luke. (Brilliant aside from the fact that Luke's name is Skywalker, he's hidden on Anakin's home planet, and with the only relatives Anakin has left".) Once he sees the message from Leia he realizes the gloves are off... it's Luke's time to rise up and assume his proper role. I think he knows exactly who both droids are - he just doesn't want to let on at the moment we first meet up with him. One can assume, as with a lot of events, that there's a lot of "off screen" stuff between the characters that we don't ever see like Obi Wan telling Luke how he knew the droids during the clone wars, how R2 was so brave and effective, etc.
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necromancing Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 3/29 6:48pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	timmoishere posted: Nothing in ANH even remotely implies that Obi-Wan has forgotten Artoo. He knows perfectly well who Artoo is. QFT. Obi-Wan is playing the part on senile old man here IMHO. Of course he knows it's R2D2. Why do you think R2 is so jumpy when he finally sees him after all those years? A classic wink-wink-nudge-nudge. -----signature----- http://therogueshadowblog.blogspot.com/
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 4/2 11:43pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Obi-Wan is just a dirty dog liar. I saw the PT and he owned whole platoons of droids, one after another. Only from a certain point of view, heh. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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Lizardmonkey Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 4/3 1:37am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2 - Date Edited: 4/3 1:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lizardmonkey
	It ain't a 'PT' bash to say that whole acres of the CT/OT have areas that raise this kind of debate - let us not forget that the addition of 'Episode 4' to the 1977 'Star Wars' was an in-joke, near-parody reference to the old serials, a joke to fool the audience into thinking there had been three episodes prior to that they had missed and a reference to Lucas as a child, missing huge sections of serials at the Saturday cinema he attended and only joining an adventure at episode three or four. Also, for a long while, Lucas had a sketchy idea of the origin of the OT characters and he even licensed Del Rey to include vast swathes of back story that were rendered redundant - Boba Fett is a prime example. Mandalorians? What Mandalorians? Again I love all the Star Wars films we have now - all of them - but there are even things in the PT that were created to tally with the OT but wouldn't work out and so were changed. Queen Amidala was so-called because she would birth Leia... but then that didn't fit so the back story that Leia was a princess because her mother was a queen was altered radically in the middle of the PT. Wouldn't you just have Amidala be a Queen of Alderaan and not Naboo - what an awkward plot cul-de-sac Lucas put himself in. I still enjoyed the movies though as it is that rambling devil-may-care silliness that sets it apart from, say, 'Star Trek'. Who can forget Lucas sitting down at the yellow pad at the end of 'TPM' DVD extra doc 'The Beginning', to write 'Attack of the Clones'? According to Lucasfilm these scripts were written and under lock and key somewhere - that wasn't the case. 'Jar Jar', who was going to continue as a part of the Anakin/Amidala gang throughout the prequels, his death in '3' showcasing Anakin's evil nature as it was meant to be at his hands (Total Film #73, UK) but his major role was ditched in favour of brief cameos due to fan disapproval of the character. Anakin's assassination of Jar Jar, therefore, was rewritten as the slaughter of the younglings - a far more powerful event! I love them all - even, yes, 'The Clone Wars'. Don't get me started on the axing of Genndy Tartakovsky, however...
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StarWarsFan91 Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 4/3 2:34pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2 - Date Edited: 4/3 2:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: StarWarsFan91
	Maybe Obi-wan wanted to keep the droids past from Luke. Since R2D2 never had a memory wipe, im sure the droid still remembered Luke's father Anakin. Obi-wan has kept secrets before from Luke. He lied about how he got Anakin's lightsaber, and did not tell Luke originally that Anakin was Darth Vader. So if R2 never got a memory wipe but C3P0 did, so why didn't R2 tell 3P0 about the past? R2 seems to be a secretive droid. For example in the EU it wasn't till the Dark Nest Trilogy which R2 showed what happened to Luke's mother. So why does R2 keep so many secrets?
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oo-tee-dee Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 4/3 2:38pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Don't forget that Obi-Wan rode to Mustafar with R2 in Padme's ship. But overall I'm seeing a lot of interesting points. rsterling78 posted: Wouldn't R2 remember Obi-Wan? If so, he didn't tell 3PO apparently. R2D2 probably could have squealed everything but it seems that he had some long, drawn out plan to reveal things only when pertinent. He was the real orchestrator, not the Emperor, LOL.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/3 3:51pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Lizardmonkey posted: let us not forget that the addition of 'Episode 4' to the 1977 'Star Wars' was an in-joke, near-parody reference to the old serials, a joke to fool the audience into thinking there had been three episodes prior to that they had missed The "Episode IV" wasn't added until the 1981 rerelease, so I don't think anyone was actually fooled... -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 4/3 4:15pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Who can forget Lucas sitting down at the yellow pad at the end of 'TPM' DVD extra doc 'The Beginning', to write 'Attack of the Clones'? According to Lucasfilm these scripts were written and under lock and key somewhere - that wasn't the case. Yep, they were right out in the open in his room somewhere. Thinking about the way most writers who still write long hand, Im sure there was a ton of trash thru out the room. I wonder whos job it was to shred the trash, heh. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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MAJOR_NERD_314 Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/5 3:39am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	I was watching the other day and thought the same thing C3P0 as well... his apprentice freaking built the thing... -----signature----- Modulistic terror a vast sadistic feast the only way to exit IS GOING PIECE BY PIECE
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boba_fett_protector Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 4/12 1:59pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	I see it like this: From the start, Obi-Wan has told "the truth" from a certain point of view - a view that very often conflicts with what we often consider as honesty. Where others see plotholes, I see a careful censoring of the truth to protect Luke. Obi-Wan doesn't seem in the least bit surprised to see an Astromech droid out in the middle of the desert. He greets him as "little friend" while Luke is unconscious - when Luke is up, Obi-Wan states he doesn't remember ever owning a droid (which he never did) - The whole statement is out of context as well, R2 belongs to Obi-Wan because that's who the message is for... it's not like Obi's name is written in Sharpie on the back of R2's leg. Same case with Obi-Wan telling Luke to go to Dagobah. So Obi-Wan wasn't taught directly by Yoda - he was a youngling once and was taught by Yoda. I think at the time, with Luke laying in the snow dying, he didn't need to hear the story about "Well actually I was trained by a man named Qui-Gon who was trained by a man named Dooku who was trained by Yoda" etc. -----signature----- Judge me by my registration date do you? And where you should not, for my ally is TheForce.Net, and a powerful ally it is! AIM: LessThanJakeRU X-Box Live Gamertag: Jawa Trader
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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/13 4:39pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	There are money things in the Saga that George Lucas never clearly explains, eg. the passage of time in Episode V. You've got to look up other sources for information. Why Kenobi doesn't recognise the droids, and vice versa :- To Obi-Wan and everyone else in the galaxy, droids are tools, souless machines. Nothing more than computers or toasters. In the episodes of Clone Wars where Artoo goes M.I.A., Kenobi doesn't really give fiddler's finger until he discovers that Artoo holds valuable strategic information because Anakin refuses to wipe his memory. Remember Anakin and Luke are unusual in how they treated them. Artoo and Threepio are their friends. So when a robot turns up after twenty years, why would Kenobi remember it? Alec Guinness had many moments in A NEW HOPE were his facial expressions did all the work and they can be interpreted in many ways. Somewhere in there you could say he considers the possibilty if this blue droid was the one Anakin had during the Clone Wars. Especially after he sees it carries a message from Anakin's daughter. But we never see Kenobi question Artoo about this. It's just a machine. These things happen. The only time I recall Kenobi and Threepio meeting was on Mustafar after Kenobi had defeated Anakin. Threepio piloted the ship to meet up with Yoda then. Obi-Wan wasn't really paying attention. He'd just killed his best friend who was a child murderer and Padme was dying. Again didn't give a fiddler's about the machine sitting beside him. Threepio last scene in ROTS was Bail Organa instructing Antilles to have the protocol droids memory wiped. Thus was gone all of Threepio's memories of Kenobi, Anakin, Padme and whatever he witnessed on Mustafar. Artoo's memory of Anakin's life and downfall, of the Clone Wars, Padme and Obi-Wan appear to be intact b ecause there is no evidence that Artoo's memory has ever been erased. So the real question is not why Obi-Wan dosen't remember R2-D2, but why R2-D2 keep everything secret? He has no doubt known Leia true identity for the twenty years that he has been on Alderaan. And maybe he has also figured out Dath Vader secret - a badly scarred and burned Jedi who betrayed the Order - how could Artoo not figure it out. But unlike Threepio, Artoo can keep his "vocalizer" shut. Artoo visited the Lars' farm before. He knows everthing about Luke's parents and what befell them. On Dagobah, he knows who Yoda is. But hiding this information would seem like betraying Luke's friendship. According to the Radio Drama, Captain Antilles says to the droids "this is voice override, actuating code Epsilon Actual", an order that will make them "do whatever you tell them to do, without fail. This includes lying and self-destructing" They are both ordered to "restrict and protect all references to Leia Organa's identity and presence inboard this vessel. She is designated a command/control voice." For Threepio this means even looking the other way when he sees her with Artoo in the movie. For Artoo this means doing whatever he has to do to get to Kenobi, as per her orders. Even by teasing a young farmer with her hologram, but he stops short of telling Luke she is his sister. And the Epsilon Actual code remained active throughout the following years. Artoo was protecting her identity fully and completely. Protecting her true identity, making it nescessary to protect Luke's true identity, and as a consequence his own relationship with their father. I've never heard the ROTJ radio drama but I believe that C-3PO and R2-D2 arrive unexpectedly at Anakin's funeral pyre and reveal to Luke that they know his secret. In the EU literature, the whole galaxy knows the Skywalker secret so perhaps following the death of Vader and Palpatine the droid's override code became redundant and they could tell everything they knew. boba_fett_protector posted: Same case with Obi-Wan telling Luke to go to Dagobah. So Obi-Wan wasn't taught directly by Yoda - he was a youngling once and was taught by Yoda. I think at the time, with Luke laying in the snow dying, he didn't need to hear the story about "Well actually I was trained by a man named Qui-Gon who was trained by a man named Dooku who was trained by Yoda" etc. I do believe that when Obi-Wan appeared to Luke on Hoth, he said Yoda was "the Jedi Master who instructed me", which you could say meant Yoda trained him a little and took an interest, but Kenobi was never his actual apprentice. I do believe all younglings are instructed by Yoda at some point. this post is longer than I intended, and most likely no one will read it. oh, well.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/13 5:03pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Grytpype posted: For Threepio this means even looking the other way when he sees her with Artoo in the movie. In the film he seems to be trying to discern what's going on. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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