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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/13 5:16pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2 - Date Edited: 4/13 5:17pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Grytpype
	Arawn_Fenn posted: In the film he seems to be trying to discern what's going on. Perhaps looking the other way was the wrong way to phrase it, but he definitely trying to mind his own business. without question, he MUST know who Leia is but will not tell Luke.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/13 5:19pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	The novel and the radio drama seem to disagree on this topic. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/13 5:37pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2 - Date Edited: 4/13 6:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Grytpype
	Arawn_Fenn posted: The novel and the radio drama seem to disagree on this topic. does the novelisation say Threepio really doesn't know who she is? I can't recall.
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boba_fett_protector Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 4/13 10:24pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Lets also not forget the strange moment in Obi-Wan's homestead where C-3P0 actually shuts himself off at the mention of Luke's Father's lightsaber, perhaps something from his programming? At no other time in the films does C3P0 voluntarily power himself down... something I've always found interesting. -----signature----- Judge me by my registration date do you? And where you should not, for my ally is TheForce.Net, and a powerful ally it is! AIM: LessThanJakeRU X-Box Live Gamertag: Jawa Trader
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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/14 3:34am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	boba_fett_protector posted: Lets also not forget the strange moment in Obi-Wan's homestead where C-3P0 actually shuts himself off at the mention of Luke's Father's lightsaber, perhaps something from his programming? At no other time in the films does C3P0 voluntarily power himself down... something I've always found interesting. yes, that is mentioned in a section here on theforce.net abour continuity. "C-3PO is a protocol droid, a sort of valet, and is programmed for keeping confidential information. In his early conversations with Luke Skywalker, he evaded discussion of Princess Leia until late after key facts were told in Kenobi's presence. When Obi-Wan began to tell Luke a tale about Anakin and the Jedi, Threepio requested to be shut down, likely to avoid discussion and facing awkward memories about his Maker's tragic fate. Nevertheless the supposedly inert droid was only pretending unconsciousness; as he eavesdropped on the conversation he(Anthony Daniels obviously) swayed slightly but visibly. This evasive behaviour was prompted by Threepio's recognition of Anakin's lightsabre." However, Threepio should not recognize anything about Anakin because Antilles wiped his memory. or did he? perhaps he admired the two droids loyalty to their masters and felt they could be useful later so he installed a master override on their memories to protect them - maybe he gave them a false history(droids animated perhaps) - but kept their personalities intact. he just never counted on dying before deactivating it.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/14 3:06pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Grytpype posted: Arawn_Fenn posted: The novel and the radio drama seem to disagree on this topic. does the novelisation say Threepio really doesn't know who she is? I can't recall. It refers to him answering honestly IIRC. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/14 7:15pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	but in the movie he denies knowing who she is, but he must since he has served Captain Antilles for nearly twenty years. what does IIRC mean?
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/14 8:22pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Except Leia hasn't served with Captain Antilles for twenty years, and we don't know the details of everything 3PO was doing during that time. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/15 11:36am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Except Leia hasn't served with Captain Antilles for twenty years, and we don't know the details of everything 3PO was doing during that time. Antilles is captain of the ship that transports Bail Organa. When Leia becomes Senator it is very likely the same. In Episode IV, Threepio tells Luke their last master was Captain Antilles. So, unless the two droids took off for their own adventures for a few years, they've most likely served Antilles for those twenty years. How else would Antilles know that, override code or not, Artoo was up to the job of holding on to the Death Star data and tracking down Obi-Wan Kenobi. Therefore, it is more than likely that Threepio has encountered Leia before.
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TaunTaunHerder Registered: Oct '07	Date Posted: 4/15 1:29pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2 - Date Edited: 4/15 1:35pm (2 edits total) Edited By: TaunTaunHerder
	Luke says to Ben in reference to R2-D2; "He says he belongs to someone named Obi-Wan. I think my Uncle knows him". Probably Princess Leia programmed R2 to believe he was the property of Obi-Wan Kenobi so that whomever may have found R2 would take him to Ben so he could deliver his message, which he did. R2-D2 didn't "belong" to Ben, but, that was the story R2-D2 told to Luke so Luke would take him directly to Ben. Ben had a lot of other things to think about once he decided to live on Tatooine to watch over Luke, and so he maybe just forgot R2-D2. He had to learn how to imitate the call of a Krayt Dragon and how to cook Bantha meat and Wamp rat meat and come up with new and interesting ways to serve the meat. Wamp rat soup, stew, omelettes, steak, hamburger. Bantha sausage. He had a lot on his mind just surviving. So he forgot about R2-D2, what's the big deal? He didn't actually "own" him. Or, maybe he had owned R2, but said he didn't..."remember ever owning a droid" because it was "from a certain point of view" that he didn't "own" him. You say tomato, I say tom-aw-to.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/15 2:04pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Grytpype posted: So, unless the two droids took off for their own adventures for a few years I think they did: -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/16 4:42am Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Grytpype posted: So, unless the two droids took off for their own adventures for a few years I think they did: I don't think George Lucas is bringing that to the official timeline or else there would have been a better DVD release.
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Chico_Jedi Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 4/18 5:07pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	That always bugged me, especially since the new Clone Wars series came out and Obi-Wan is spending a lot of time around R2. Yet even if Obi-Wan recongizes the droid, but didn't want to say anything to Luke, why wouldn't he try and talk to him? -----signature----- Caramba i carambita!
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 4/18 5:13pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	This has probably already been said in the thread, but keep in mind that Obi-Wan never says "I can't seem to remember ever knowing this droid". He says "I can't seem to remember ever owning a droid", which is true. He never owned R2, and he's never been shown to have owned his own droid (just used ones that were the property of the Jedi Order, such as R4). It's a retcon, to be sure, but it still works. You just have to take it as being true "from a certain point of view". -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One (my fan fic) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30225011/p1/?3
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 4/18 5:21pm Subject: Obi-Wan dosn't remember R2-D2
	You mean the R4-part is a retcon, right? The rest has always been true, and he certainly never seemed to care one way or another who R4 belongs to as long as it does as it's told. All the many R4's he goes through Hell, with his attitude, even if they were all his, he probably really wouldn't remember it like that -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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