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Go-Mer-Tonic  19592 posts
Registered: Aug '99
8199_Han Solo
Date Posted: 4/15 4:39pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent? - Date Edited: 4/15 4:41pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
I say using Shaw for both scenes originally says that Lucas wanted to ensure the audience understood who suddenly appeared next to Obi-Wan and Yoda. Lucas made him look as young as he could and decided that was good enough if he wasn't going to make prequels.

I just think it makes more sense for Lucas to remain consistent with his intentions as opposed to doing a 180° turn.

The only proof I have is that with my conclusion, Lucas' intent remains in tact, with your conclusion, Lucas comes off like a crazy person with no intent in particular.

Until you can prove that I'm wrong about his original intent, we will remain at this deadlock, with your assumption rendering Lucas' choices in the 2004 editions inconsistent, and mine rendering Lucas' choices as consistent.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4737 posts
Registered: May '01
20018_Jawa
Date Posted: 4/15 5:45pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent?
Go-Mer-Tonic posted:
I say using Shaw for both scenes originally says that Lucas wanted to ensure the audience understood who suddenly appeared next to Obi-Wan and Yoda. Lucas made him look as young as he could and decided that was good enough if he wasn't going to make prequels.

I just think it makes more sense for Lucas to remain consistent with his intentions as opposed to doing a 180° turn.

The only proof I have is that with my conclusion, Lucas' intent remains in tact, with your conclusion, Lucas comes off like a crazy person with no intent in particular.

Until you can prove that I'm wrong about his original intent, we will remain at this deadlock, with your assumption rendering Lucas' choices in the 2004 editions inconsistent, and mine rendering Lucas' choices as consistent.




You can believe anything if you simply refuse to look at the facts. You have brain-washed yourself into believing that everything George does is intended. Did it EVER occur to you that he could have made a mistake? Until we hear it from the man himself, this change was not his original intent, as we got something else completely different over 20 years ago. So far, he hasn't gone on record to contest this.

Your theory is nothing more than an attempt to explain away an obvious mistake. You believe it, which is unfortunate. Nobody else buys it.

Nobody said George had no intent in particular; we are saying his intent seems to have changed. The change causes inconsistencies with established norms from long ago. It doesn't work.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
Registered: Jul '04
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Date Posted: 4/15 6:12pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent? - Date Edited: 4/15 6:13pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Shaw causes inconsistencies with the ANH/PT timeline. He doesn't work.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4737 posts
Registered: May '01
20018_Jawa
Date Posted: 4/15 6:16pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent?
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Shaw causes inconsistencies with the ANH/PT timeline. He doesn't work.


Yes, you can thank George for that. His PT is what caused the inconsistency. He had the chance to get it right. He failed.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
Registered: Jul '04
46079_Darth Plagueis
Date Posted: 4/15 6:20pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent?
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
His PT is what caused the inconsistency.


No, I said the ANH/PT timeline. See those three additional letters before the ones you hate so much? ROTJ is what caused the inconsistency.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4737 posts
Registered: May '01
20018_Jawa
Date Posted: 4/15 6:22pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent?
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
His PT is what caused the inconsistency.


No, I said the ANH/PT timeline. See those three additional letters before the ones you hate so much? ROTJ is what caused the inconsistency.



In what way?

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 4/15 6:31pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent?
In the Shaw way.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4737 posts
Registered: May '01
20018_Jawa
Date Posted: 4/15 6:35pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent?
I see.

 

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jedimasterbac  6231 posts
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 Registered: Jun '04
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Date Posted: 4/15 10:26pm Subject: Who does Sebastian Shaw represent?
This is just a continuation of the same ridiculous arguments in the Hayden vs. Shaw thread. Keep it there, please.

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