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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 4/30 7:43am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Just wanted to point out that he actually deflects blaster bolts with both of his hands. All of the bolts but the last one hit his right hand. The last bolt gets deflected by his left hand while he is getting ready to Force-pull Han's blaster over with his right.
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Sven_Starcrown Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 4/30 12:18pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	I am the fun of Vader defending himself with his hand theory. -----signature----- Nobody's perfect. There was never a perfect person around. You just have half-angel and half-devil in you.
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Chancellor_Ewok Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 5/3 9:24am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	I don't remember where I heard it, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that Vader's gloves are actually line with cortosis ore, which is capable of absorbing blaster bolt and lightsaber energy. -----signature----- http://tlongpublications.wordpress.com/ http://tlongportfolio.wordpress.com/ http://thestarsailors.wordpress.com/
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 5/3 10:04am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	He did it through the use of telekinesis, like he did when he was moving the objects in the Cloud City battle. Also, he feels pain in his artificial limbs because, in the Star Wars myth, they've developed the technology to create artificial nerve tendons in bionic limbs, as shown in the medical frigate at the end of ESB.
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/3 12:03pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin? - Date Edited: 5/3 12:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: d_arblay
	Black-Tiger posted: he feels pain in his artificial limbs because, in the Star Wars myth, they've developed the technology to create artificial nerve tendons in bionic limbs, as shown in the medical frigate at the end of ESB. The period where Luke got his artificial hand is different though, so what is achieved by Episode 5 may not have been possible 20 years earlier. I personally like the idea that Vader doesnt have feelings in his limbs in this way - makes the "he's more machine now than man" work much better. Also a factor could be that Luke does not have his arm cut off - just his hand. I'm not of medical expertise but I would be quite happy to accept in the story that Vader can't reclaim feeling in his hands because he lost the arms as well. Black-Tiger posted: He did it through the use of telekinesis, like he did when he was moving the objects in the Cloud City battle. again though, why then must Jedi use lightsabers to repel blaster fire in all the other movies? why not just block it with the force? its a bit cheap for me. its one thing to move stationary objects with your mind but to deflect laser fire is something else. yoda does it with the force lightning in one sense but that was never going to pierce his skin - and you could argue he was merely absorbing that and minimising the blow, not deflecting it. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 5/3 12:42pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	d_arblay posted: The period where Luke got his artificial hand is different though, so what is achieved by Episode 5 may not have been possible 20 years earlier. I personally like the idea that Vader doesnt have feelings in his limbs in this way - makes the "he's more machine now than man" work much better. Also a factor could be that Luke does not have his arm cut off - just his hand. I'm not of medical expertise but I would be quite happy to accept in the story that Vader can't reclaim feeling in his hands because he lost the arms as well. All of Vader's robot parts are technology and those robotic parts can be replaced once new technology comes along. If he didn't have the nerves in his bionic limbs during ROTS, then he would get them at a later date once the new limbs are developed. Also, the medical droid in ESB jabbed Luke's robot hand with the needle, which made Luke flinch. d_arblay posted: again though, why then must Jedi use lightsabers to repel blaster fire in all the other movies? why not just block it with the force? its a bit cheap for me. its one thing to move stationary objects with your mind but to deflect laser fire is something else. yoda does it with the force lightning in one sense but that was never going to pierce his skin - and you could argue he was merely absorbing that and minimising the blow, not deflecting it. I hate to use something from the PT as an example, but how does Yoda deflect Palpatine's Force Lightning in ROTS? For that matter, how does Palpatine produce Force Lightning from his fingers without electrocuting himself?
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/3 1:21pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Black-Tiger posted: d_arblay posted: The period where Luke got his artificial hand is different though, so what is achieved by Episode 5 may not have been possible 20 years earlier. I personally like the idea that Vader doesnt have feelings in his limbs in this way - makes the "he's more machine now than man" work much better. Also a factor could be that Luke does not have his arm cut off - just his hand. I'm not of medical expertise but I would be quite happy to accept in the story that Vader can't reclaim feeling in his hands because he lost the arms as well. All of Vader's robot parts are technology and those robotic parts can be replaced once new technology comes along. If he didn't have the nerves in his bionic limbs during ROTS, then he would get them at a later date once the new limbs are developed. Also, the medical droid in ESB jabbed Luke's robot hand with the needle, which made Luke flinch. theoretically thats possible but it doesn't mean thats the case, or whether or not the answer is known. its fundamentally whichever you want to believe most - and i like the idea that vader has no feeling in his bionic hands and arms because i like him as being "more machine than man" in feeling as well as physicality. i like the fact he is numb and disconnected from humanity. how you justify it is up to you - i justify it by saying its not possible to recreate an artificial limb for him with nerves and feelings. luke's situation is different (his hand is severed but his arm remains). and whether or not vader wants to have an upgrade is another matter. Black-Tiger posted: d_arblay posted: again though, why then must Jedi use lightsabers to repel blaster fire in all the other movies? why not just block it with the force? its a bit cheap for me. its one thing to move stationary objects with your mind but to deflect laser fire is something else. yoda does it with the force lightning in one sense but that was never going to pierce his skin - and you could argue he was merely absorbing that and minimising the blow, not deflecting it. I hate to use something from the PT as an example, but how does Yoda deflect Palpatine's Force Lightning in ROTS? For that matter, how does Palpatine produce Force Lightning from his fingers without electrocuting himself? I addressed the Yoda bit above. As for Palpatine electrocuting himself? i think we're starting to look at this thing with too much science applied :P how is there sound in space? there shouldn't be. there just is -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 5/3 1:50pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Vader does have feelings in his limbs, it’s been proven in ROTJ when Luke cuts his hand off and Vader cries out in agony. Sorry, you can’t argue with that because it’s a FACT, 100%.
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/3 2:32pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin? - Date Edited: 5/3 2:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: d_arblay
	Black-Tiger posted: Vader does have feelings in his limbs, it’s been proven in ROTJ when Luke cuts his hand off and Vader cries out in agony. Sorry, you can’t argue with that because it’s a FACT, 100%. he could be crying out as he wants Luke to stop, or crying out in distress as he realises he's lost the fight and will probably be killed by the emperor if not Luke. its not set in stone the exact reason he lets out that moan. i never took it as being because he was in pain. he doesn't let out such a cry in AOTC or ROTS when he gets his actual limbs cut off. its still about which version you want to believe. none of it is "FACT", it is a fictional story -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 5/3 3:17pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	d_arblay posted: Black-Tiger posted: Vader does have feelings in his limbs, it’s been proven in ROTJ when Luke cuts his hand off and Vader cries out in agony. Sorry, you can’t argue with that because it’s a FACT, 100%. he could be crying out as he wants Luke to stop, or crying out in distress as he realises he's lost the fight and will probably be killed by the emperor if not Luke. its not set in stone the exact reason he lets out that moan. i never took it as being because he was in pain. he doesn't let out such a cry in AOTC or ROTS when he gets his actual limbs cut off. its still about which version you want to believe. none of it is "FACT", it is a fictional story Yeah, yeah, he also could've cried out 'cause he'd done something in his bionic underpants! You talk about his reactions in, shhhh, "The PT". I've criticized the reaction in AOTC before, where Christianson makes a faint "Ugh" as if he's just bored compared to Luke's screams in agony in ESB. Well, remember, that was supposed to be a REAL arm Anakin lost, not a bionic one. In that case his reaction should've been more like Hamill's, but I put it all down to the usual PT bad acting on Christianson's part. As for him losing everything when he became Vader in ROTS, he was unconscious when he had the op done, so he didn't feel a thing.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/3 3:20pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin? - Date Edited: 5/3 3:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	Black-Tiger posted: As for him losing everything when he became Vader in ROTS, he was unconscious when he had the op done, so he didn't feel a thing. He lost the limbs on Mustafar. Furthermore, he was completely conscious during the transformation to Vader, that was shown in the film. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/4 3:33am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Black-Tiger posted: d_arblay posted: Black-Tiger posted: Vader does have feelings in his limbs, it’s been proven in ROTJ when Luke cuts his hand off and Vader cries out in agony. Sorry, you can’t argue with that because it’s a FACT, 100%. he could be crying out as he wants Luke to stop, or crying out in distress as he realises he's lost the fight and will probably be killed by the emperor if not Luke. its not set in stone the exact reason he lets out that moan. i never took it as being because he was in pain. he doesn't let out such a cry in AOTC or ROTS when he gets his actual limbs cut off. its still about which version you want to believe. none of it is "FACT", it is a fictional story Yeah, yeah, he also could've cried out 'cause he'd done something in his bionic underpants! Yep! Very possible. Perhaps you would if you had a sword-wielding maniac in front of you who looked like he was about to dice you into a zillion parts and send each one express delivery to the head of each planet in the galaxy just for giggles Black-Tiger posted: You talk about his reactions in, shhhh, "The PT". I've criticized the reaction in AOTC before, where Christianson makes a faint "Ugh" as if he's just bored compared to Luke's screams in agony in ESB. Well, remember, that was supposed to be a REAL arm Anakin lost, not a bionic one. In that case his reaction should've been more like Hamill's, but I put it all down to the usual PT bad acting on Christianson's part. As for him losing everything when he became Vader in ROTS, he was unconscious when he had the op done, so he didn't feel a thing. Christensen's reaction is a stylistic choice by Lucas. It would not have been difficult either in production or post-production to add a scream akin to that of Hammil's in ESB when the moment occurs. It's very juvenile and simplistic to label it bad acting. You might not "get it" or agree with it but it was deliberate choice. I personally quite like it in that moment - though I can't say its not my least fave SW movie (before you put me down as some sort of PT obsessive). As for him being unconscious when the op is done? You clearly weren't watching the same movie the rest of us were. One final thing, his name is Christensen, not Christianson and he can act. If you've seen Shattered Glass or Life As A House (suck as the latter mostly does) you would see he is very capable. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 5/4 11:50pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	If I was Hayden and reading the script where it says "Dooku cuts off arm" I would have been practicing my agony squelch - it's not juvenile or simplistic to note that it was a abnormal reaction to a very traumatic thing. And the fans that assert "I love how the PT and OT mirror each other" should have been up in arms over this - no pun intended. -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/5 4:53am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	its not bad acting. its a stylistic choice from the director. what people deem realistic and what is appropriate for the scene are sometimes two different things - especially in star wars. there are numerous examples in other films. take for example Kill Bill which I just happened to be watching last night. in the first proper scene we see The Bride brutally kill the mother of a 4-5 year old child. when the child walks in and sees her mother lay dead on the floor with blood everywhere and a knife protrouding from her chest, there are two possible reactions tarantino could have gone for: 1) to have the child either scream and/or run out of the room calling for help, sobbing uncontrollably and then in silent panic, or 2) have the child stare blankly at her mother's killer as if she is questioning the morality of what has happened with a maturity far beyond her years. the first reaction is more realistic, but stylistically what suited the scene in that movie was to have the second one - the one tarantino opted for. in the same way, in episode 2, anakin is a well trained Jedi Knight - the chosen one, the most powerful in the order. he is cocky, arrogant and an excellent fighter. we know him to be all these things. on the other hand, in episode 5, luke is vulnerable, naive, a reluctant hero if you like. he is the everyman - we as an audience are meant to identify with him in a way we'll never be able to with anakin. luke reacts to his arm in this realistic fashion because thats how we would. anakin on the other hand reacts more like the true warrior - more like its all in another day's work, even if its not. we also have to remember his reaction is tamed by the fact he is pretty much knocked unconscious by dooku's force throw immediately after. i think the scene plays perfectly fine (although i have to say dooku's lightsaber move and anakin's obvious lack of defence aren't particularly well choreographed or edited in the last seconds before the arm is removed). -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Black-Tiger Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 5/5 5:21am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin? - Date Edited: 5/5 5:32am (2 edits total) Edited By: Black-Tiger
	d_arblay posted: Christensen's reaction is a stylistic choice by Lucas. Then he went for "style" over realism. Try cutting your arm off and let's see if you just go, "Ugh". Maybe he did this so as to not scare little baby in his/her cot, 'cause that's obviously what the PT was aimed at. d_arblay posted: It's very juvenile and simplistic to label it bad acting. You might not "get it" or agree with it but it was deliberate choice. I personally quite like it in that moment You evidently haven't watched many movies. You also obviously aren't very demanding of the movies you do watch. d_arblay posted: As for him being unconscious when the op is done? You clearly weren't watching the same movie the rest of us were. Sorry, I was speaking through memory, since I can't get past the first hour of crap slapstick robot fights, waste of space banter, mindless roller coaster action, Alien generals doing bad Inspector Clouseau impressions and Jedis riding comical rubber lizards. Even half an hour is a chore! And my interest in Anakin was really killed in AOTC. In that I felt he needed a good slapping and by ROTS I would've volunteered to chop the annoying kid up myself! d_arblay posted: One final thing, his name is Christensen, not Christianson and he can act. If you've seen Shattered Glass or Life As A House (suck as the latter mostly does) you would see he is very capable. You know, I don't really care how you spell his name. A good actor would've made a good job of Lucas' tacky script, just as Hamill, Ford, Fisher and co. did. I was under the same impression as you are, that his crap wooden acting was all down to Lucas' novice writing skills and directing, but after seeing him in "Jumper", where he stunk there too, I decided that the blame can't all be down to Lucas. d_arblay posted: anakin on the other hand reacts more like the true warrior - more like its all in another day's work, even if its not. Bollocks! What utter tripe! Even Special Forces troops would scream if something like that happened to them!
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