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Grand_Moff_Jawa Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/9 8:34am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: After Luke throws away his lightsaber he attempts to block the lightning but fails. I must have missed that part... All I remember is Luke hitting the floor after the first blast of lightning. -----signature----- "I can't abide those Jawas... disgusting creatures"! - C3PO This sig line is [FABULOUSO!] www.outerrimsieges.com "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/9 8:46am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Blinding bolts of energy, evil lightning, shoot from the Emperor's hands at Luke. Even in his surprise, the young Jedi tries to use the Force to deflect them. At first he is half successful, but after a moment the bolts of energy are coming with such speed and power the young Jedi shrinks before them, his knees buckling. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/9 9:18am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin? - Date Edited: 5/9 9:19am (1 edits total) Edited By: d_arblay
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Blinding bolts of energy, evil lightning, shoot from the Emperor's hands at Luke. Even in his surprise, the young Jedi tries to use the Force to deflect them. At first he is half successful, but after a moment the bolts of energy are coming with such speed and power the young Jedi shrinks before them, his knees buckling. It is not the blocking of lightning we are debating. As for the scene you mention, it didn't happen on screen. Luke did not try and block it. They may have an idea that he did at first.. but then again, lots of ideas have been presented in the scripts/novels that are then dropped. Still, it doesn't change what we're arguing about. Its not related. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/9 9:27am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: d_arblay posted: We need to stop romanticising Vader as some collosus just because he's dressed in black and can strangle some Imperial officers. We're not. We're romanticizing him because he has the highest midichlorian count in recorded history. But remember, as Lucas has said, much of his power is lost when he becomes Vader. Thats why he's no longer willing to overthrow the Emperor... why he will play the part of his pawn, his servant. He's no longer the same Jedi. He's no longer Anakin Skywalker. His midichlorian count becomes irrelevant. He's kept alive by a machine. Arawn_Fenn posted: d_arblay posted: You either have the power of the force or you don't. It's not that simple. There are levels of Force ability. Why don't we see Anakin doing something similar in the prequels? We never see him, or ANY jedi/sith deflect laser blasts with their hands. I'm only going with the evidence present. It clearly doesn't seem to be an ability granted to an individual through the force. If Vader wants to use the force when Han attacks him he can do any number of things (such as strangle Han to disable him temporarily). If you ask me, blocking his laser blasts with his artificial hand is far cooler and makes him seem more indestructible anyway. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/9 9:35am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin? - Date Edited: 5/9 10:04am (6 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	d_arblay posted: It is not the blocking of lightning we are debating. I was responding to a post about the lightning. d_arblay posted: As for the scene you mention, it didn't happen on screen. Luke did not try and block it. Yes he did. d_arblay posted: But remember, as Lucas has said, much of his power is lost when he becomes Vader. His previously unlimited potential becomes limited. However, in terms of actualized skill Vader is no less powerful in the OT (Force lightning aside), which is particularly obvious in TESB. When I left you, I was but a learner; now I am the master. Strong is Vader. d_arblay posted: Why don't we see Anakin doing something similar in the prequels? We never see him, or ANY jedi/sith deflect laser blasts with their hands. I concede that Coruscant Nights may not be the best example of a credible source given the issues with that series. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/9 11:57am Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin? - Date Edited: 5/9 12:16pm (1 edits total) Edited By: d_arblay
	Arawn_Fenn posted: d_arblay posted: It is not the blocking of lightning we are debating. I was responding to a post about the lightning. You were? I read it that you were responding to my line "you either have force ability or you don't." That wasn't strictly referring to lightning (you brought an example of lightning to try and disprove this line). In context it was referring to how I don't see the potential repelling of laser fire as something reserved for only the most powerful/highest recipient of midi-chlorians, even if it was possible in the story. We don't see it from anyone in the movies without a robotic arm (and remember those people attacked with laser fire include Luke, Yoda, Qui-Gon, Mace Windu and Anakin at several different points). Lightning is a different form of attack as I've said. Yoda directs it to and absorbs it with his hand on one occassion but he's absorbing and focusing the pain of it. You couldn't absord a laster blast in the same way, no matter how connected to the force you are. It pierces your skin for a start. Jedi with better knowledge and contact to the force (higher midi-chlorian count) have greater sense of awareness, reflexes, anticipation, concentration, foresight etc. and these do correspond to physical ability in some regard, but they're not directly connected. Look at Maul - wonderful swordsman, terrible lack of foresight. Stopping a laser blast with your hand isn't exclusively about awareness, anticipation, concentration and foresight. It's a physical ability Vader has through a robotic arm, nothing more. The only difference between sith and jedi's abilities are simply what they morally believe to be right (why you'll never see a jedi use lightning - its only a form of attack). Your claim is also that Luke is trying to block lightning, something I personally do not see. I can only see him hold out his hand to Vader, pleading for help. How this fits into the puzzle of the whole Bespin debate I don't even know because is Luke not meant to be really powerful as well? Amongst the most powerful....? Arawn_Fenn posted: His previously unlimited potential becomes limited. However, in terms of actualized skill Vader is no less powerful in the OT (Force lightning aside), which is particularly obvious in TESB. By throwing boxes around?? Okay, I'm being a little facetious but I still dont share this theory that Vader was the ultimate villain. Palpatine, yes. Vader. Nah. Could have been. He is still powerful, no doubt. But he's a shadow of his former self. As I've said, I don't think there is a definitive answer either way. If some want to believe its the force, thats fine. Whatever makes it more enjoyable. I'm more applied to the opposite theory for reasons I've explained but I'm not going to carry on debating the tiniest fragments of it. I am pedantic but not to that degree I've made all my points on the subject so I'm gracefully retiring before this gets any more silly. I'd forgotten thats why I had left these boards in the first place -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/9 12:25pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	d_arblay posted: You were? Yes, I was responding to the post immediately before mine. d_arblay posted: The only difference between sith and jedi's abilities are simply what they morally believe to be right (why you'll never see a jedi use lightning - its only a form of attack). The Sith consciously use the dark side; the Jedi do not. Jedi do not use lightning because it is an exclusively dark side power as defined by Lucas. d_arblay posted: By throwing boxes around?? Not just that. But the point was that Vader is not depicted as less powerful than Anakin. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/9 1:07pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Jedi do not use lightning because it is an exclusively dark side power as defined by Lucas. Well yeah, that's what I was getting at essentially. Just reworded. I think we agree. Jedi can use it, but only by giving into their dark side... and its considered an evil ability because its used to harm opponents. To even try to use it would be an act of evil in the Jedi's eyes and therefore evidence of having turned to the dark side. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/9 1:10pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	It's been called "evil" irrespective of its effect. To even produce it one must be using the dark side in the first place. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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therufus Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 5/9 10:05pm Subject: How did Vader deflect those blasts with his hand on Bespin?
	If you are into the EU then the answer is Vader uses the Force. (Many people do that in the books ie Jacen is said to be able to nearly deflect/absorb[don't remember which] a turbo laser)I think they disperse the energy thought their body so it may still hurt to an extent. However if you don't like the EU I don't know maybe Han didn't have his blaster at full power or forgot to charge the power pack so Vader was able to block with his robot parts. Or maybe He had a force vision that Han would shoot at him so he put a piece durasteel in his gloves before the "dinner." -----signature----- Wood chuck "How much wood can I chuck?" DM "Roll a d20 and add your chucking modifier."
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