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DuracellEnergizer Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 5/21 1:16pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ? - Date Edited: 5/21 1:17pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DuracellEnergizer
	BuddyParaiso posted: In my Star Wars imagination, the new Death Star should be called "Mega Death Star" BuddyParaiso posted: Plush, it should have the ability to "cloak" and make short distance warp speed travel. Have Star Trek on the brain, don't we? -----signature----- Episode I Reimagined : The Beginning http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30317264/p1/?1 ======================================= If KOTOR was any good, it'd be a book.
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BuddyParaiso Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 10/23 5:30pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ? - Date Edited: 10/23 5:34pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BuddyParaiso
	Please pardon my Trekkiness, but I liked both shows...Still, I'm a STAR WARS fan through and through... Well, if my idea about a “Mega Death Star” seems so far fetched and corny, I have a better, and albeit, more “mature” idea: Instead of making another Death Star for ROTJ, the empire should concentrate on potentially dangerous “Smear Campaign” against the rebel alliance and their supporters. Instead of going after the rebels in Episode V, the Galactic Empire should have trained a vast networks of spies and assassins, aimed to make the rebel dignitaries loose their honor and credibility through irrevokable mud-slignings, scandals and assasination set-ups. With this, the Empire should hire powerful P.R. men, capable of uplifting the image of the Empire and it’s bureaucrats, by cover-ups and isolating the (Tarkin/Alderaan incident)plus conduct “Humanitarian” expeditions on impoverished and war afflicted systems to further their confidence build up. With this, the Empire should stage so-called “rebel raids” against their humanitarian missions, making the rebels look bad before potential allied systems. This done, the rebels will loose the confidence of most of the galactic star systems and their supports. As this being done, the Empire should do covert research operations for improving the performance of its legion of fighters and war machines. Thus, if this happens, ROTJ may have a different scenario.
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1cb_ Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 10/23 6:26pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	I don't know anybody who felt disapointed at seeing the second death star. I saw it on the first day in the theater and I was awe struck at the scope of the end battles. For it's time, RotJ was the best movie I've ever seen. I actually said "holy Sh$$" in the theater when the wave of TIE fighters showed up to attack the fleet. -----signature----- Chris The difference between the almost right word and the right word is the difference between the lighting bug and the lighting. -- Mark Twain I will not apolgize to the world.
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Cyrax86 Registered: Oct '09	Date Posted: 10/30 3:34am Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	I'm sure at the time it was not exactly considered as a major disappointment (even the critics were only bashing the Ewoks, right?) but looking back after the Prequel Trilogy it does feel unoriginal. Then again, from PT we know the Death Star is more than a 20 year old concept so it would be kinda rich that the Empire could invent something brand new after ANH. Also, the "trap" plot would have never worked with Coruscant, how would it have been a plausible thing that the vast majority of the Imperial fleet was busy somewhere else? The Rebel Alliance would have never attempted to take over Coruscant. On the other hand, I have to say, after so much Coruscant in PT, OT feels kinda empty without any action on it, if you think about it, weird that the fall of the Empire took place on battle stations, distant ice planets and forest moons. Didn't GL actually refer to this, when saying the OT is like 30% (if I remember well) of what he wanted to execute, since Coruscant never materialized?
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Darth_Davi Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 10/30 5:44am Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	I am gonna defend the DSII here...conceptually, from the Emperor's point of view, the Death Star was still a great idea. The first one was only able to be destroyed because of the emergence of the Chosen One's progeny, and a LOT of things had to go wrong for the Empire just to get Luke in the cockpit of that X-Wing, and once he was there, the odds of Luke succeeding were extremely slim. It took an extraordinary set of circumstances to destroy the first one, and had it not been destroyed, the Empire would have ruled the galaxy indefinitely. It was a good idea, whose only flaw was the strongest force user in the universe, just starting to discover his potential. No Luke, no Death Star being blown up. Luke and Vader were the only two pilots in the entire galaxy that could have taken it down, and Vader wasn't likely to turn on Palpatine. So, with that as background, I don't blame Palpatine at all for trying a second time, nor do I blame Lucas for rehashing a previous idea. It was a good idea. The Death Star represented the biggest obstacle for the Rebellion in ANH, so, Lucas raises the stakes by not only repeating it, but adding the whole Luke/Vader/Palpatine triangle to it. How is that any less original that say, every James Bond movie? Those aren't formulaic? How about Harry Potter? Every movie...its quiet, Voldemortt comes, Harry saves the day. Repetition of what works is hardly a new idea, its been going on in the movie making forever. So, if Lucas decides that the Death Star is menacing enough for the first one, then decides to use a bigger badder version of it for ROTJ, who cares? How is it different than Rocky Balboa fighting Apollo Creed twice? I guess I am just not going to nitpick the motivations of Lucas here, I don't care if its a repeated idea, the concept of the Death Star as a menace to the galaxy is still structurally sound. -----signature----- What the hell is an Aluminium Falcon? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a thermal exhaust port thats only two meters wide! It wasn't even fully paid off yet!
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/30 7:45am Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	That's a good point about Palpy. He knew it was a very effective thing, both in its primary purpose of blowing things up and in that it made the Rebels mad - hence rushing out a new one and leaking its location before it's even completed. If anything, the Rebels must have thought similar things to what's expressed in this thread. "Wait, what, another one? What the hell? Fine, we'll blow that one up, too. Crazy old man..." And that's why it worked - again. And really, what else can you make that's more dangerous than something that can blow up planets? Something that blows up suns, but Kevin J. Anderson tried that and it didn't work half as well. Well, he also made it indestructible... -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 10/30 10:33am Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	It was indestructible until they decided to fly it into a black hole to destroy it. -----signature----- W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do
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jedipilot24 Registered: Oct '09	Date Posted: 10/30 12:20pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	there's also the fact that it really wasn't necessary to even allow the Tydirium to land on Endor; just jam their transmissions and grab them in a tractor beam as they pass. I'm not much of a fan of Dark Empire but I think that if you had to have a superweapon in ROTJ (as the Empire is really fond of the things) use the Eclipise or even the Darksaber (didn't really like that book either but the weapon itself actually makes sense). But no Ewoks. I like the idea of having the Rebels attack Coruscant. They send a strike team to disable Coruscant's planetary shield and while they're at it Luke decides to go confront Vader and the Emperor in the Imperial Palace.
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/30 12:36pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	Ooh, I like the Eclipse, actually. Same threat but somewhat different. Even though I've never read ugly-ass Dark Empire. My eyes bleed just thinking about it rumsmuggler* posted: It was indestructible until they decided to fly it into a black hole to destroy it. I thought it was just hidden/lost among them. -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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drg4 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 10/31 12:43pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	Darth_Davi posted: So, with that as background, I don't blame Palpatine at all for trying a second time, nor do I blame Lucas for rehashing a previous idea. It was a good idea. The Death Star represented the biggest obstacle for the Rebellion in ANH, so, Lucas raises the stakes by not only repeating it, but adding the whole Luke/Vader/Palpatine triangle to it. How is that any less original that say, every James Bond movie? Those aren't formulaic? How about Harry Potter? Every movie...its quiet, Voldemortt comes, Harry saves the day. Repetition of what works is hardly a new idea, its been going on in the movie making forever. So, if Lucas decides that the Death Star is menacing enough for the first one, then decides to use a bigger badder version of it for ROTJ, who cares? How is it different than Rocky Balboa fighting Apollo Creed twice? I guess I am just not going to nitpick the motivations of Lucas here, I don't care if its a repeated idea, the concept of the Death Star as a menace to the galaxy is still structurally sound. I care because the Death Star happened to be the fulcrum for the first film; a rehash trivializes the apocalyptic urgency of Star Wars' latter half and tarnishes what was once one of the defining pieces of iconography in cinema. And since the apocalypse of ROTJ transpires within the Death Star—-rendering the space battle and Endor care-bear ruckus tertiary—-the rehash wasn't at all necessary. A battle against the Executor, and possibly the Imperial shipyards, would have sufficed, and had virtue of novelty as we hadn't seen an armada battle up to that point. Death Star II, more than any other device, is indicative of Lucas's desperation to wrap up his burgeoning epic with as little innovation as possible. Which is sad and quite surprising, because this thirty-year series has managed to avoid the storytelling sins committed by the tired and stale franchises you mentioned.
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CaptainYossarian Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 10/31 4:32pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	I don't see a problem with the DS2 in ROTJ. Part of the reason why it's there is that the Death Star was originally going to be at the end of the story anyway, yet Lucas moved it to ANH when it had to be a self contained film. So then when it was destroyed in that film, there was then another one in ROTJ. I don't feel it's a rehash though because it uses something the audience was familiar with yet treats it in a different way. The DS2 looks different because it's incomplete and the battle is bigger and more complex and also intercut with the action on Endor and in the throne room. You could say that perhaps the Empire would have made something different yet it is also likely that they wouldn't. They need something to fulfil the same purpose as the Death Star, so why not just make a new and better Death Star? They already knew how to do it and with modifications it could be the weapon that the original never was. There's also the point that the DS2 was conceived as a trap for the Rebels. So there wasn't much point coming up with anything too original, especially if it was to be built quickly. Remaking the DS may also have encouraged the Rebels to think they could fight it and win since they'd done it before. Palpatine evisaged that the Rebels would be lured to Endor and then after the battle they would be gone, and he would be free to rule the galaxy with his new Death Star. There was no need to come up with something different because when the Rebels were gone there wasn't going to be anyone else to stop the DS2. -----signature----- "Orr would be crazy to fly any more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 10/31 4:35pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	They should have considered a less incriminating name the second time around. Like the Happy Fun Star. -----signature----- "Just when you think the amount of fail cannot possibly increase, the Internet keeps on giving." - SalvorHardin "Let's see them argue with nature and persuade the nonexistent polar bears not to eat them." - crownarmourer
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obi_arin_kenobi Registered: Oct '06	Date Posted: 10/31 4:47pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	How about a thousand space helmeted Jabba's swarming through space?
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 11/1 6:18pm Subject: Does anyone have a better idea than a 2nd Death Star for ROTJ?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: They should have considered a less incriminating name the second time around. Like the Happy Fun Star. Personally, I'm partial to some of the names in that Episode III parody trailer, like Killing Ball, Death Moon, and Sphere-o-Fear. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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