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Darth_Unicorn Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/28 12:50pm Subject: clerks rant
	DarthIktomi posted: —the dark spider (I'm not a mutant! Not that there's anything wrong with that...) Was that by chance a Seinfeld reference? The episode where that reporter thinks George and Jerry are lovers? I dont think that there would have been civilian workers on that, because they have droids to do basically everything for them. Why would they use humans that they may have to pay, or that wouldn't be gauranteed to do a good job when you could use droids? They wouldn't talk back, they would work multiple times more efficiently than humans, and its less people they have to feed and provide living conditions for. I am highly confident there were strictly work droids building and adding on. Who builds onto the outside of it, or the rooms that aren't air-tight and therefore do not have oxygen? Did the empire shell out hundreds of space suits for humans? I doubt it. Droids can work in any condition, and the only time they need to take a break is when they need to be re-charged. I was surprised in the Jedi Academy Trilogy when some of the New Republic didn't object to Kyp destroying the Caridian star system, that the Imperial training facility was on. Although this does bring up another point. Although there were no innocent civilians doing maitenance on the Death Star, not every storm trooper signed up. When the planet Deyer objected to the first Death Star destroying Alderaan, males of the proper age were taken prisoner and forced to go into Imperial training camps. If this happened on one planet, I am sure it has happened on other planets. So basically, some innocent people still died, but that was probably better than being Storm Trooper slaves anyway, so they should be relieved.
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/28 7:44pm Subject: clerks rant
	Darth_Unicorn posted: Was that by chance a Seinfeld reference? The episode where that reporter thinks George and Jerry are lovers? How'd you guess? It was also a reference to how since the 90s, in X-Men, "mutant" has been a code for "gay". The Legacy Virus sealed the deal (especially when Marvel swore they wouldn't cure the Legacy Virus until AIDS was cured...then they cured it anyway), and of course in the movie, we had "Could you just try not being a mutant?" Darth_Unicorn posted: I was surprised in the Jedi Academy Trilogy when some of the New Republic didn't object to Kyp destroying the Caridian star system, that the Imperial training facility was on. That was the point. I mean, last I checked, Luke did some damage to Mon Calamari and destroyed Byss. Darth_Unicorn posted: Although this does bring up another point. Although there were no innocent civilians doing maitenance on the Death Star, not every storm trooper signed up. When the planet Deyer objected to the first Death Star destroying Alderaan, males of the proper age were taken prisoner and forced to go into Imperial training camps. If this happened on one planet, I am sure it has happened on other planets. So basically, some innocent people still died, but that was probably better than being Storm Trooper slaves anyway, so they should be relieved. It's all ultimately morally pointless, when you look at the hard numbers. No matter how many Imperials were drafted, the Death Star had already killed more people than Luke killed by blowing it up.
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Darth_Unicorn Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/29 9:18am Subject: clerks rant
	morally pointless? I'm afraid I don't understand the point you are making.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 5/30 5:36am Subject: clerks rant
	I really don't understand the need for organic labor anyway given droid technology and the industrial capacity available. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic-Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God-Michael Shermer I'm a sexy shoeless GOD OF WAR! #347 on SLG's List Of Sexy Men
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Darth_Unicorn Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/30 11:56am Subject: clerks rant
	I have not read and am not familiar with Luke doing some damage to Mon Calamari or destroying Byss. What series would those be in?
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/30 1:15pm Subject: clerks rant
	Darth_Unicorn posted: morally pointless? I'm afraid I don't understand the point you are making. Let's look at the hard math: If Luke hadn't blown up the Death Star and killed those Imperials, the Death Star would've blown up more planets. Of course, what Luke didn't know is that he would wish he didn't blow it up in 30 years.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 5/30 1:49pm Subject: clerks rant
	socd14 posted: im not sure if you guys have seen clerks but i currently rewatched again and randal had the most amazing point...the rebellion is all about preserving life, and destroying the empire and punishing evil...but what i dont understand is this, are the rebels gonna fight the empire at all costs, or do they take civilian lives into consideration... FYI, if you havnt seen clerks a character in the movie made a point that in ANH when the rebels blow up the death star evil is punished and no big deal...however in ROTJ the empire was already crippled and the death star was only half way complete so they would have to call in civilian repairmen, engineers, the whole lot to construct something of that magnitude...so are the rebels only concerned with stopping the empire at any cost, or was this not factored into the films? I guess you missed the construction worker in the same scene who brings up the guys who re-shingled the mafia house? They knew what they were getting into. Same goes for any "civilian contractors" on the Death Star. Also, I'd like to point out that Randal, while hilariously funny, is a giant moron whose biggest goal in life is working at a convenience store. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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gundarkhunter Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 5/31 9:33pm Subject: clerks rant
	While I agree that any contractors or otherwise voluntary laborers got what they had coming to them, weren't there, according to an EU source whose name escapes me at the moment, slaves involved in the construction of the Death Star II? Also, although countless lives were undoubtedly saved by the DS's destruction, if even one innocent sentient being died unwillingly when it blew up, would that be morally acceptable for the alliance? IMHO, yes, actually.
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socd14 Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 6/1 7:53pm Subject: clerks rant
	I guess you missed the construction worker in the same scene who brings up the guys who re-shingled the mafia house? They knew what they were getting into. Same goes for any "civilian contractors" on the Death Star. Also, I'd like to point out that Randal, while hilariously funny, is a giant moron whose biggest goal in life is working at a convenience store. [/quote] no i didnt miss that part, but the part that bothers me is the fact that yes i agree, anyone who willingly commits to building the DS deserves to die, but the empire is run by the sith lord, i highly doubt that he would ask people nicely to come and work on his "spacestation" of death...and how is randall an idiot? at least hes actually working...and shit if it came down to it, id wanna sit on my ass all day too and get paid to watch movies...
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