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black_saber Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 5/28 10:23am Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope? - Date Edited: 5/28 10:25am (1 edits total) Edited By: black_saber
	It took about 19 years for the first death star to be build, I always thought they were making a second death star for a back up plan. Any answers? EDIT: I mean where they making a second death after the first one was complete before it was blown up for back up plans because there is no way in Hell it took 4 years to build a second one. -----signature----- "Just when I thought I was out , they push me back in." I never liked micheal Jackson and he was always a looney.
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CaptainYossarian Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 5/28 12:04pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	The implication is that the DS2 was only started after the destruction of the first - as mentioned in the opening text of ROTJ - "Little does Luke know that the Galactic Empire has secretly begun construction on a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star." The DS2 was bigger, more powerful and corrected design flaws like the thermal exhaust port. So I think it's generally accepted that the DS2 started some time after ANH. Despite being bigger it took less time to build because the Empire had learned a lot from building the first and so could refine the process. With the Senate dissolved during ANH there was also no political opposition to worry about for the Emperor. Also bear in mind that the DS2 was never actually finished so it may have taken longer than 4 years to fully complete it. Priority may have been given to the reactor and superlaser since they were what the Emperor needed for the DS2's first task of providing a trap for the Alliance. -----signature----- "Orr would be crazy to fly any more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host BC Single Pick Winner Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 5/28 7:35pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	They thought that the original Death Star was invincible; why start working on a backup until there was a need to have one. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/28 7:50pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	JEDIGUNSHIP posted: They thought that the original Death Star was invincible; why start working on a backup until there was a need to have one. The Death Star's big. Big ships need a lot of energy to travel through hyperspace. Having a Death Star close makes people more fearful of it. Of course, if the Death Star destroys a planet, you enrage the populace. Destroy a neutral or pro-Imperial planet, and everyone will side with the Alliance. And if the Death Star's destroyed, your plan backfires and you look like a joke.
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Drac39 Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 5/28 9:32pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	See Lucas opened a whole can of worms showing the Death Star in ROTS. I am lead to believe that whatever we saw there was a very primitive prototype -----signature----- "That's all there is to life, just a little laugh... a little tear"- Lon Chaney
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Darth_Unicorn Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/29 5:08pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	In the EU, there was a prototype built of the Death Star, and it was hidden inside the Maw Instalation, in the black hole cluster next to kessel, and it was just a skeleton of the original Death Star, but it had a working laser. I definately think they started building DS2 after ANH. It was probably less than half built at the time of it's destruction, and I agree that it probably took considerable less time to build because they had already done it once. Death Star Prototype got slain by the SUn Crusher.
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host BC Single Pick Winner Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 5/29 5:11pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	I agree with the asbove statement. The Empire had to improve on its design, and the only way to do that is to have a need for improvements in the first place. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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Darthbane2007 Registered: Oct '07	Date Posted: 5/30 5:48am Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	black_saber posted: It took about 19 years for the first death star to be build, I always thought they were making a second death star for a back up plan. Any answers? EDIT: I mean where they making a second death after the first one was complete before it was blown up for back up plans because there is no way in Hell it took 4 years to build a second one. I think the thing most people miss is the fact that the second DS was only halfway completed.
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host BC Single Pick Winner Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 5/30 7:46am Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	That too. The Second DS was not exactly finished, but the superlaser was operational despite the entire station still being under construction. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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DARTH_BELO Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 5/31 10:37pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	Darth_Unicorn posted: In the EU, there was a prototype built of the Death Star, and it was hidden inside the Maw Instalation, in the black hole cluster next to kessel, and it was just a skeleton of the original Death Star, but it had a working laser. I definately think they started building DS2 after ANH. It was probably less than half built at the time of it's destruction, and I agree that it probably took considerable less time to build because they had already done it once. Death Star Prototype got slain by the SUn Crusher. This point really helped me understand the timeline for the building of the Death Star that appears in ANH. It could have been several years before the real first death star began construction (after ROTS.) Which would mean the time to construct it would be more like 10 years, instead of 20-which makes more sense. The ROTS death star we see is a prototype as mentioned before. Works nicely, IMO. I also agree with the point of the 2nd death star being built quicker mainly due to the better knowledge of how to efficiently complete it. Just about any project can be done quicker, the second time! Not to mention, there was emphasis also put in ROTJ that the Empire was really in a hurry to finish this 2nd one. With the Rebellion still at its primitive stages, there wasn't as much of a hurry the first time, most likely. If you're interested in how all this plays out, I recommend reading the book Death Star. It provides some great insights about this very subject, and takes place just before and right through the events of ANH, from the perspective of the Officers of the Empire, and various citizens from throughout the galaxy, employed to work IN the Death Star. It's a great read! -----signature----- There are NO trilogies - only ONE SAGA...
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 6/1 10:04am Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope? - Date Edited: 6/1 10:06am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthIktomi
	Believe me, TDAB (Those Damn Anderson Books) need a lot of retcon. I mean, Stackpole did a pretty good start, with the one objection all of us had to the, which can be summed up as: Luke: Kyp, you destroyed an entire star system! Kyp: I know, I'm sorry. I killed my brother. But I was under Exar Kun's influence. Luke: Well, you've been to the dark side and back. Nobody's ever done that, except for my father and myself. I say we make you a Jedi Master! Other Jedi: Sith-kriffin son of a Hutt (insert your own Star Wars curses) (Sometimes I can't help but think Luke unconsciously thinks of Kyp as his son and wants to be a better father than his own. I know, it's not too difficult, since Vader tried to kill him and tortured Leia on more than one occasion.) Anyway, obviously, Death Star is basically a giant retcon of TDAB.
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DARTH_BELO Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 6/1 9:59pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope? - Date Edited: 6/1 9:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DARTH_BELO
	DarthIktomi posted: Believe me, TDAB (Those Damn Anderson Books) need a lot of retcon. I mean, Stackpole did a pretty good start, with the one objection all of us had to the, which can be summed up as: Luke: Kyp, you destroyed an entire star system! Kyp: I know, I'm sorry. I killed my brother. But I was under Exar Kun's influence. Luke: Well, you've been to the dark side and back. Nobody's ever done that, except for my father and myself. I say we make you a Jedi Master! Other Jedi: Sith-kriffin son of a Hutt (insert your own Star Wars curses) (Sometimes I can't help but think Luke unconsciously thinks of Kyp as his son and wants to be a better father than his own. I know, it's not too difficult, since Vader tried to kill him and tortured Leia on more than one occasion.) Anyway, obviously, Death Star is basically a giant retcon of TDAB. ...K...well, anyways, I LIKED it. -----signature----- There are NO trilogies - only ONE SAGA...
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Nordom Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 6/2 4:06am Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	Darthbane2007 posted: black_saber posted: It took about 19 years for the first death star to be build, I always thought they were making a second death star for a back up plan. Any answers? EDIT: I mean where they making a second death after the first one was complete before it was blown up for back up plans because there is no way in Hell it took 4 years to build a second one. I think the thing most people miss is the fact that the second DS was only halfway completed. I think you overlook several things. 1) The emperor was coming onboard to oversee the FINAL stages of construction. Does not sound like he was expecting to sit there for 2-3 years watching the DS getting built. 1-2 months sounds more likely. 2) The DS was more than halfway completed, more than half the structure was built and the reactor and superlaser was working. Regards Nordom -----signature----- "I think, therefore I am.. I think" "Morte, how do you stay afloat?" "Flatulence, you stupid polygon"
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DuracellEnergizer Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/2 3:13pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope? - Date Edited: 6/2 3:16pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DuracellEnergizer
	I prefer to think the two Death Stars were built simultaneously, more-or-less. Ignoring ROTS (which is no problem for me ) the idea of a second Death Star being built in a period of 3-4 years is still a problem; it goes beyond credibility that anything the size of a moon could be built in such a short period of time. And I wouldn't bother bringing up the ROTJ roll up to support the claim that construction on the second DS only began after ANH; the TESB roll up states that Luke is the one leading the Rebel troops on Hoth, when we all know that isn't true. The TESB example is a case of hyperbole, and the ROTJ one may very well be as well; if so, then it shouldn't be taken as 100% accurate. -----signature----- Episode I Reimagined : The Beginning http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30317264/p1/?1 ======================================= If KOTOR was any good, it'd be a book.
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CaptainYossarian Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 6/2 3:51pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	the idea of a second Death Star being built in a period of 3-4 years is still a problem; it goes beyond credibility that anything the size of a moon could be built in such a short period of time. Even for a galaxy-spanning empire with masses of resources and man-power that they can invest in the project? -----signature----- "Orr would be crazy to fly any more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 6/2 5:31pm Subject: Did the Empire build Two Death Stars before the events of A new hope?
	DARTH_BELO posted: DarthIktomi posted: Believe me, TDAB (Those Damn Anderson Books) need a lot of retcon. I mean, Stackpole did a pretty good start, with the one objection all of us had to the, which can be summed up as: Luke: Kyp, you destroyed an entire star system! Kyp: I know, I'm sorry. I killed my brother. But I was under Exar Kun's influence. Luke: Well, you've been to the dark side and back. Nobody's ever done that, except for my father and myself. I say we make you a Jedi Master! Other Jedi: Sith-kriffin son of a Hutt (insert your own Star Wars curses) (Sometimes I can't help but think Luke unconsciously thinks of Kyp as his son and wants to be a better father than his own. I know, it's not too difficult, since Vader tried to kill him and tortured Leia on more than one occasion.) Anyway, obviously, Death Star is basically a giant retcon of TDAB. ...K...well, anyways, I LIKED it. KJA has a history of bad continuity. It's really not his fault on the DS, TOTJ (retconned by the Ruusan Reformation), or a Jedi more powerful than Luke. It is his fault for the weird Luke/Tionne chemistry in YJK, since he admits to knowing about Luke/Mara but says he couldn't hint to it. Believe me, in light of the prequels, we're going to get a lot more retcon. For starters, the Jedi we knew had relationships. The prequel-era Jedi don't.
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