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Nordom Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 9/18 7:15am Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade"
	darth-sinister posted: You don't need the eu to explain Owen's feelings, because it has not been brought up there. Owen's feelings are made clear in ANH. There's no need for him to say that he shouldn't get involved. AOTC establishes that he knows Anakin and that he knows that Anakin leaves to go fight in the Clone Wars. ANH shows us that he doesn't want Luke to leave and it is Obi-wan who explains it to us, when he explains it to Luke. He'd only express it to Obi-wan and after the fact. As to Anakin leaving to become a Jedi, that's not it. Shmi explained that Qui-gon couldn't free her and that she wanted a better life for Anakin, which is why he was allowed to leave. So Owen's issues do not center around that. It is the Clone Wars. The crusade is to save the Republic, which was corrupt and falling apart. It was idealistic to believe that it could be, much less should be saved. But in AotC when Anakin leaves Tatooine, the republic is about to be attacked by the huge droid army of the separatists. So the republic is basically trying to defend itself from an attacker. Why is it very idealistic to just defend your home? The separatists were planing to overwhelm the jedi and make the senate do whatever they wanted. In essence it sounds like they planed to simply conquer the repulic. What did Owen expect Anakin to do here? The republic, of which he is a part, is about to get attacked and Owen thinks he should just leave all his friends and people he has known for years to fend for themselves? Anakins friend and mentor was about to get killed and Owen wants Anakin to just let him die and stay on Tatooine? What would Anakin had done if he stayed in AotC? Throw away his lightsaber and become a farmer? Owen must not think too much of duty and responsibility. Regards Nordom -----signature----- "I think, therefore I am.. I think" "Morte, how do you stay afloat?" "Flatulence, you stupid polygon"
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tonykart34 Registered: Sep '09	Date Posted: 9/18 12:03pm Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade" - Date Edited: 9/19 5:55am (1 edits total) Edited By: TwiLekJedi
	TLJ Edit: I know I'm getting bored
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Grand_Moff_Jawa Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 9/18 12:47pm Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade"
	anakin_girl posted: Am I missing something? I always assumed that Obi-Wan flat-out told Owen and Beru who Luke's parents were, although I figured that he also told them that Anakin and Padme were both dead and that's why he was bringing Luke to Owen and Beru. I didn't think Obi-Wan brought them "an infant boy" without telling them who Luke was. Agreed. If someone showed up at your door with a baby and no explanation of its origins, would you just take it? I'm sure Owen took Luke because of the family ties. -----signature----- "I can't abide those Jawas... disgusting creatures"! - C3PO This sig line is [FABULOUSO!] www.outerrimsieges.com "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan
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Grand_Moff_Jawa Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 9/18 12:48pm Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade" - Date Edited: 9/19 6:02am (1 edits total) Edited By: TwiLekJedi
	tonykart34 posted: [...] Might I suggest reading the TOS? -----signature----- "I can't abide those Jawas... disgusting creatures"! - C3PO This sig line is [FABULOUSO!] www.outerrimsieges.com "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan
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Palp_Faction Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 9/18 4:25pm Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade"
	I don't think you can take anything Obi-wan is telling Luke at face value. It's all part of the yarn he was spinning. Chances are, Owen said none of those things that Obi-wan mentioned. -----signature----- ROTS, ESB, ANH, AOTC, TPM, ROTJ
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 9/18 5:33pm Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade"
	I don't think you can take anything Obi-wan is telling Luke at face value. It's all part of the yarn he was spinning. Or his recollections are screwy. In the PT, there are a couple cases where his recall of things didnt jive with Anakins, heh. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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obi-rob-kenobi4 Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 9/18 11:24pm Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade"
	darth-sinister posted: The reference is to when Anakin went off to fight in the Clone Wars. Following the death of his mother and the funeral, Anakin and Padme are summoned back to their ship when a message from Obi-wan has been detected. Anakin leaves shortly thereafter and three years later, the Jedi are blamed for trying to overthrow the Republic and Anakin is among the casualties in the Jedi Purge. Owen felt that Anakin shouldn't have left to fight in a war that he was going to lose. This anger is directed towards Obi-wan, after bringing him Luke to raise. This is why he doesn't want Obi-wan around him and doesn't want Luke to know about his Jedi heritage. And why he doesn't want Luke to go to the academy. He's afraid that he will lose his life like Anakin did. THIS. This is basically spot on. Excellent posts darth-sinister -----signature----- "You call THIS a diplomatic solution?" "No, I call it aggressive negotiations." so this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause..... who am I, where am I going? -Tony Soprano
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Hernalt Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 9/20 10:59pm Subject: "damn fool idealistic crusade"
	Tonycart34, welcome to the phenomena whereby a certain secondary reality, a certain exercise in suspended disbelief, creates such a pressure and emotional cathexis upon the consumer that its problems and unanswered questions tug at the synapse with the gravitational pull of a small freight train wrapped around your foot. Feel free to not grant Star Wars, classic or recent, that much control over your time and thoughts. With respect to the concerns in the opening post, I stand by the auteur, and by the auteur's right to dictate conditions in his own universe, whether or not I believe in them or find that they do not strongly agree with observed behavior in the universe I perceive. Evidence was brought forth that Lucas has Yoda say that Owen \|is\| Luke's family, whether or not I personally find that at odds with what small education I have received in terms of evolutionary psychology, Hamilton's Rule, paternal investment, violence in step-families, etc etc. IF Owen \|is\| Luke's family, then Owen Does have sufficient reason to find that Luke's father had gone off on an "idealistic crusade", whatever that means to whoever is counting. I'm not required to agree with any of it, but as consumer it is incumbent upon me to search out at least some nominal explanation using in-universe data or phenomena. The arguments as presented by the posters may not be the final word - there may be a finer, damningly compelling reason for Ben Kenobi to have said this line which does not involve paternity and biological family status. But what has been offered is about as obvious or searchable as can be for this decade.
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