Artoo-Dion posted:
Dark--Helmet posted:
.David and Goliath where both humans so they have the same movement,both where armed with modern weapons of there era.A sling was a very powerful and deadly weapon.The sling was a prominent weapon of war for a couple of thousand years.David had quickness and long range while Goliath had close combat but was weighed down by his armor and size.It's the same level just different load outs.
There's a reason that "David and Goliath" has entered our cultural lexicon to mean "a seemingly unequalled matched battle". This is the family business competing with the multinational conglomerate, or the lone individual calling-out the unethical practices of a large organization. "David and Goliath" is synonymous with a smaller entity with little hope taking on a much greater opponent.
Yes, in hindsight, David had the advantage, but this is not the expectation. This point is emphasised when Saul offers David armour, which David refuses. He beat Goliath not because their stats were balanced RPG-style but because David's wit outmatched Goliath's scale.
Dark--Helmet posted:
War of the Worlds isn't the same type of thing.Nobody's cheering on the virus,or feeling emotions of a Noble sacrifice.That's a twist ending to me,everybody knows how powerful nature or viruses are.I don't remember the movie or book all that well but I don't think there was an over confident in there technology scene with the aliens.
The Martians were arrogant insofar as they were unprepared for something as simple as a virus. Their technology only provided an illusion of security.
Anyway, the point is simply that their defeat subverts ordinary expectations, as does David and Goliath, as does the Ewoks vs. the Empire. Why do you think people get so wound up about the Ewoks defeating the Empire? Because it's "unrealistic" -- because they can't get their heads around how primitive teddy bears using low-tech solutions could defeat the mighty Empire. But if it were, in fact, "realistic", all irony would be lost in the process.
With Wookiees, seriously, who doubts a society full of them couldn't physically overwhelm a group of Stormtroopers? There's no dramatic tension because the battle is over before it's begun.
It's still a good story it just people have taken it to far.The point was David wasn't totally out matched.
I just don't think we know enough about the aliens to make that call.They can't be arrogant about it if they didn't know the virus existed.Same thing has happened on earth.
Having heard this complaint for years I can safely say the reason people are sore about it is because it so poorly executed.Theres no reason for the ewoks to win.Stormies acting dumb,weapons working that shouldn't,no tactics.We don't get to see the rebels troops helping the ewoks ect ect ect.It's worse now that the PT has been added.All the battles are like this in ROTJ to a degree,it's a trade mark of the moive.People could wrap there heads around it if it was presented in a believable(not realistic) well done manner.
Notice theres not a huge uproar about the Gungans and Driod Ep 1 Battle.Because even though the Gungns are out matched people bought the tactics each side used.
The Wookies would still have just about every disadvantages the ewoks have.Except what they add would make the battle better.The little guy and primitive beating the empire is still there.Luke was a Jedi Knight the most powerful characters in SW and he was one of the little guys.Stormtroopers have beat the whole galaxy for years;Wookies,Jedi,advanced Robots who ever faces them is at the disadvantage.
DuracellEnergizer posted:
Artoo-Dion posted:
With Wookiees, seriously, who doubts a society full of them couldn't physically overwhelm a group of Stormtroopers? There's no dramatic tension because the battle is over before it's begun.
Wookiees have superhuman strength, but stormtroopers have advanced energy weapons. Done right the whole "David vs. Goliath" theme could have worked just as well for the Wookiees as it did with the Ewoks.
No doubt,it's all about the execution.
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