DuracellEnergizer posted:It would be a whole lot easier to swallow if at least their primitive Stone Age arrows hadn't been able to pierce supposedly advanced stormtrooper armour.
Artoo-Dion posted:Well, it's not like the Empire's tech hadn't already been established as being technically marvellous but also ridiculously vulnerable. Take the Death Star's exhaust port, for example.
DuracellEnergizer posted:Most Star Wars fans know that Wookiees were originally going to be in ROTJ, but that Lucas changed them into Ewoks. His reasoning behind the change? Well, he wanted the Wookiee/Imperial battle to draw parallels between the Viet Cong/US military conflict during the Vietnam War - namingly that a primitive society could defeat a far more technologically advanced enemy. But since Chewie was shown to have mechanical skills in ANH and TESB (and because the Wookiees were shown to have technology in the Holiday Special, I suppose) Lucas decided to replace the Wookiees with a new species - the dwarfish Ewoks. But Lucas could have still had Wookiees put into ROTJ. Here are two scenarios that could have been used to get around the "Wookiee = advanced" issue: 1. Slave traders visited the Wookiee homeworld and kidnapped Chewbacca, taking him from his home and selling him into slavery. The Wookiees could have been pre-technological primitives, but Chewbacca learned how to operate and fix technology while offworld in service to his owners. 2. A group of Wookiees left their homeworld in the distant past and established a colony on Endor. For one reason or another they lost the ability to operate and create their technology, resulting in them devolving to a pre-technological level. Chewbacca - and his people - would have an understanding of technology, but the Endorian Wookiees wouldn't. I can't see why Lucas didn't go one of these or a similar route while making ROTJ. Resorting to using Ewoks as a replacement was sort of a drastic move.
Dark--Helmet posted:The Rebels are still on the same physical and tech level as the empire.They didn't Flintstone power there fighters and blow up the DS with a huge Rock.
Artoo-Dion posted:Dark--Helmet posted:The Rebels are still on the same physical and tech level as the empire.They didn't Flintstone power there fighters and blow up the DS with a huge Rock. IMHO, you're missing the larger thematic point of overconfidence in technology designed for destruction. It's the ultimate irony that the technologically powerful Empire was defeated by the (literal) "little guys" whom they dismissed out of hand. See also: David and Goliath and HG Wells' War of the Worlds. But, in any case, look at the AT-ATs in ESB. It wasn't proton torpedoes that brought them down but simple cables, very much along the lines of the Ewok technology.
Dark--Helmet posted:It's not rocket science,just about everybody gets the thematic point,it just that the execution is bad.Wookies would worked and so would better executed ewoks.
Dark--Helmet posted:David and Goliath where still on the same level. Weren't the aliens beaten buy a virus?
Dark--Helmet posted:In ESB it's the Snowspeeders that take the Walkers down.How they where wrapped up(the cable was prob a hi-tech steel) and got into position could only have been done with Snowspeeders.
Artoo-Dion posted:Dark--Helmet posted:It's not rocket science,just about everybody gets the thematic point,it just that the execution is bad.Wookies would worked and so would better executed ewoks. As I said upthread, the physical strength of Wookiees undermines that very same thematic point. In that case, it'd be a simple battle scene, which we got in ROTS anyway. Dark--Helmet posted:David and Goliath where still on the same level. Weren't the aliens beaten buy a virus? David and Goliath were certainly not on the same level, this being the entire point of the story. Goliath was about nine foot tall and equipped with a shield, a sword and a spear, whereas David was a youth armed with only a slingshot, and yet he still managed to kill Goliath. "Size matters not", as Yoda would say, but "size" is a metaphor for scale, strength, technological might, etc. Same with War of the Worlds -- the strongest of foes can be brought down by the smallest of things (in this case a virus). In all these stories, the moral is "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." The Empire's faith in their "technological terror" was exactly their weakness, and having physically strong Wookiees bring them down would have served a different theme: (technological) might vs. (physical) might. ROTJ would be a totally different movie lacking the thematic weight it currently has. Dark--Helmet posted:In ESB it's the Snowspeeders that take the Walkers down.How they where wrapped up(the cable was prob a hi-tech steel) and got into position could only have been done with Snowspeeders. A strong fibre rope projected with a primitive harpoon would have done just as well. Again the point of the scene is that conventional technology could not defeat the Walkers because it was merely might vs. might. It was only by using the unexpected, low-tech option that they could defeat the Walkers.
Dark--Helmet posted:.David and Goliath where both humans so they have the same movement,both where armed with modern weapons of there era.A sling was a very powerful and deadly weapon.The sling was a prominent weapon of war for a couple of thousand years.David had quickness and long range while Goliath had close combat but was weighed down by his armor and size.It's the same level just different load outs.
Dark--Helmet posted:War of the Worlds isn't the same type of thing.Nobody's cheering on the virus,or feeling emotions of a Noble sacrifice.That's a twist ending to me,everybody knows how powerful nature or viruses are.I don't remember the movie or book all that well but I don't think there was an over confident in there technology scene with the aliens.
Sven_Starcrown posted:Anything is better than Ewoks.
Artoo-Dion posted:With Wookiees, seriously, who doubts a society full of them couldn't physically overwhelm a group of Stormtroopers? There's no dramatic tension because the battle is over before it's begun.