eht13 posted:Which leads one to wonder whether the Jedi are testing this in an incomplete or less than totally accurate way. Looking at it from a logical perspective it seems they could be...
eht13 posted:... but with the Yoda and TESB Vader examples in mind it seems they are not.
eht13 posted:Looking at it from a logical perspective it seems they could be
Arawn_Fenn posted:According to who? The test for Force potential as shown in the films doesn't measure the total of all midichlorians in the body. It measures cell concentration. As depicted on screen, is Vader noticeably less powerful in the Force by TESB due to not having organic arms and legs? Is Yoda less powerful in the Force by virtue of being small?
Pocu posted:Just loosing limbs brought injury to his ability to sense and use the Force.
Pocu posted:Not Vader vs. Yoda measuring their size or volume (capacity).
Pocu posted:Yoda in ROTJ: "Sick have I become, old and weak". It seems that sickness and getting older harms the ability to use the Force even though he has still the same midichlorian count. Sick or injured - obviously the physical condition has any importance.
Arawn_Fenn posted:Pocu posted:Just loosing limbs brought injury to his ability to sense and use the Force.That assumption is self-perpetuating but not really backed up by the evidence in a significant way.
Arawn_Fenn posted:Pocu posted:Not Vader vs. Yoda measuring their size or volume (capacity).Yoda is relevant because any presumed significance of total midichlorian amount would apply to him as well. His example was suggested in the spirit of the general fact that in SW the beings most powerful with the Force are not as a rule the beings with the most cells.
Arawn_Fenn posted:Pocu posted:Yoda in ROTJ: "Sick have I become, old and weak". It seems that sickness and getting older harms the ability to use the Force even though he has still the same midichlorian count. Sick or injured - obviously the physical condition has any importance.This just proves my point that inability due to physical condition need not have anything to do with lost midichlorians.
Pocu posted:There is no significant evidence to the contrary.
timmoishere posted:Here's another point that pretty much shoots down the "loss of limb = loss of midi-chlorians = loss of Force ability" theory. After Anakin lost his arm in AOTC, he didn't become weaker. In fact, during the 3 years between AOTC and ROTS, he became much, much stronger in the Force.
Pocu posted:Count Dooku became enough powerful to throw lightnings with his fingers only for few years but Vader did not. Why is that?
Pocu posted:Your point doesn't explain why Vader did not become much stronger between ROTS and ANH.
Pocu posted:We are not aware how many cells has Yoda, because he is humanized alien and not a human being.
Pocu posted:Why did Vader only learn to chock people from a distance?
Arawn_Fenn posted:Pocu posted:Count Dooku became enough powerful to throw lightnings with his fingers only for few years but Vader did not. Why is that? Artificial limbs.
Pocu posted:These cannot be a problem
goraq posted:Vader was an idiot for not seeing Galens potential.
eht13 posted:I really think that SSS's post (copied below), from the thread that I linked to a little earlier, does a good job addressing this issue. SithStarSlayer posted: Less bodymass, means less midichlorians to work with. The pre-existing concentration levels remain unchanged at 20,000 midis per cell. Losing limbs doesn't actually change cell counts, losing limbs means lost cells... lost bodymass = lost potential. And thus, the total number of midis was decreased due to those lost limbs.
SithStarSlayer posted: Less bodymass, means less midichlorians to work with. The pre-existing concentration levels remain unchanged at 20,000 midis per cell. Losing limbs doesn't actually change cell counts, losing limbs means lost cells... lost bodymass = lost potential. And thus, the total number of midis was decreased due to those lost limbs.