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UCLAJediMaster  2446 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 7:45am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
ok,
so the Tantive IV is caught in the tractor beam and taken into the Star Destroyer. Then after the boarding, we see Threepio and R2 leave in the escape pod.

couple questions:
1) from the view we get once they jettison, I don't see any way the stormtroopers and Vader could have board the Tantive. I don't see a boarding tunnel or any bridge.
2) There had to be a force field/shield up over the docking bay once the Tantive was inside, so how did the escape pod jettison?

I guess what I'm saying is, for a boarding party in non-pressurized suits to get aboard the Tantive than certain events must take place that would then make it impossible for an escape pod to jettison.

I'm sure someone has figured this all out and can explain it to me. I'm curious.

thanks.

 

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jedimasterbac  6268 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 9:38am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
Well aside from the "it's just a movie" explanation... tongue

1) You could assume that the boarding tunnel was either so small we couldn't see it (we really don't have a good view of the ship), or it was retracted until more people had to come aboard/leave, or that one simply could float over in stormtrooper uniforms. I remember seeing concept art of clone troopers being able to survive in space, so the storm troopers could be like that.

2) Some sci-fi mediums, such as Star Trek, have had it where force fields can let people out but keep people from coming in. For whatever reason, the "out" side of the field lets you go through it. It's possible it's the same way here.

 

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UCLAJediMaster  2446 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 9:43am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
I definitely think the stormtroopers that have been shown in space are different from the normal white armored troopers that board the tantive iv.

 

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jedimasterbac  6268 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 10:03am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
UCLAJediMaster posted:
I definitely think the stormtroopers that have been shown in space are different from the normal white armored troopers that board the tantive iv.


Well we've never really seen storm troopers out in space, so those uniforms could all act the same way.

 

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UCLAJediMaster  2446 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 10:28am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
but we've seen what a normal troopers helmet consists of. Luke and Han take them on and off during ANH.

 

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CaptainYossarian  315 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 1:47pm Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH - Date Edited: 8/20 1:54pm (2 edits total) Edited By: CaptainYossarian
UCLAJediMaster posted:
ok,
so the Tantive IV is caught in the tractor beam and taken into the Star Destroyer. Then after the boarding, we see Threepio and R2 leave in the escape pod.

couple questions:
1) from the view we get once they jettison, I don't see any way the stormtroopers and Vader could have board the Tantive. I don't see a boarding tunnel or any bridge.
2) There had to be a force field/shield up over the docking bay once the Tantive was inside, so how did the escape pod jettison?

I guess what I'm saying is, for a boarding party in non-pressurized suits to get aboard the Tantive than certain events must take place that would then make it impossible for an escape pod to jettison.

I'm sure someone has figured this all out and can explain it to me. I'm curious.

thanks.




Apparently, Vader and his troops boarded the Tantive IV by using a TIE boarding craft. The ship was designed for ANH but not used in the film.

There are also such things as 'spacetroopers' which are similar to the ordinary troopers but with jetpacks and breathing apparatus. Some of them are seen outside the Death Star docking bay in ANH as the Falcon is drawn in. They apparently weren't involved in boarding Leia's ship though.

I don't know whether there was a shield over the hangar bay or not, but if there was then it apparently let solid objects through. If the Tantive IV was captured and subdued though, would they need to cover the bay with a shield?

 

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Hernalt  154 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 1:53pm Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
The ANH shot where the MF is tractor-beamed into the DS hangar bay shows ST who are out in the open, near the heavy batteries, presumably in vacuum, and have backpacks (I believe bulkier than other ST backpacks). With respect to Han and Luke being able to easily take off their helmets, I wouldn't put it past a Kardashev III civilization to have such and such black rubbery materials that Luke and Han's suits were indeed vacuum-capable if they had simply had the appropriate helmet with its own opposite neck seal.

 
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timmoishere  7880 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 2:54pm Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
The force fields on Star Wars docking bay are tuned so they keep air in but let solid objects pass through.

 

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Darth-Seldon  11188 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 3:14pm Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
This talk of pressurized suits reminds me that the only time (and correct me if I'm wrong here) that we ever see spacesuits in any of the Star Wars films is at the very end of ROTS. Only in the scenes on the asteroid prior to Luke and Leia's birth.

That is an off topic digression--but I wanted to make it.

 

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DarthBoba  33066 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 9:52pm Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
Yep. A Star Destroyer hangar isn't a zero-gee environment with no atmosphere.

 

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BaronFel88  21088 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21 8:09am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
Darth-Seldon posted:
This talk of pressurized suits reminds me that the only time (and correct me if I'm wrong here) that we ever see spacesuits in any of the Star Wars films is at the very end of ROTS. Only in the scenes on the asteroid prior to Luke and Leia's birth.

That is an off topic digression--but I wanted to make it.


Aren't there space troopers on patrol outside Docking Bay 327 by some turbolaser turret as the Falcon is brought in?

 

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DarthBoba  33066 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21 9:41am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
There's no particular reason why the Death Star couldn't hold down an atmosphere-it obviously has Earth-esque gravity, given that we never see Tarken leaping down hallways. tongue

And iirc, those're supposed to be spacetroopers outside the docking bay anyway.

 

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DarthJohnkenobi  944 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21 11:07am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH

2) There had to be a force field/shield up over the docking bay once the Tantive was inside, so how did the escape pod jettison?


I saw no indication of a force field over the docking bay. Why would there be? There are no other enemy ships around. How do we know the Star Destroyer even raised it's shields? They do have armor plating as well and I doubt the Tantitive's weapons were anywhere near powerful enough to really damage the Star Destroyer. There is, however, a airlock on either side of the Tantitive IV. It's quite easy to assume a boarding ramp of some sort was used. Then again, maybe they did float over. If you accept the information from StarWars.com the Stormtrooper uniform is capable of being sealed in a vacum.

As far as the force fields keeping atmosphere inside while letting a ship through that really isnt an accurate assumption, considering the line "Clear docking bay 327" just moments prior to the Falcon landing. If atmosphere stayed in, why would they clear the docking bay?

 

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UCLAJediMaster  2446 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21 11:08am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
the death star would rotate to create an artificial gravity. Or there's a gravity emitter like used on other SW ships.

The sts at the turbolaster aren't shown to be in the vacuum. I just watched ANH and I wouldn't say they were in the vacuum. Here's a screen shot from another website:



This doesn't clearly show them to be in the vacuum. Also, we are given no indication that stormtrooper suits are space worthy. If the intended purpose of these stormtroopers was to show in vacuum, then it shows they needed special modifications to do so.

The boarding party of the Tantive did not have these backpacks therefore they couldn't go into the vacuum.

I can buy the explanation that the forcefields allow exit but not entry. This would explain the hundreds of troops in formation, waiting in the docking bay, for the emperor to land at the beginning of ROTJ.

 

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BaronFel88  21088 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21 11:32am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
But you can see the jetpacks in the picture.

 

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UCLAJediMaster  2446 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21 11:57am Subject: Some simple questions about the opening to ANH
are we ever told those jetpacks are for the vacuum? are we ever told those are jetpacks at all?

If those are in fact jetpacks and sealed suits, then it created another class of Space worthy troopers.

this means that the boarding party was not space worthy. So how did they board?

 

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