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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 10/5 8:03pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	Palps was a die hard Sith lord with no goodness left in him. -----signature----- W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do
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epithree Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 10/6 1:56am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	Darth_Nub posted: I'm assuming the OP is joking, however, if not, all those examples are not acts of 'goodness' or kindness - every single one is motivated entirely by self-interest & nothing more. Agreed. -----signature----- 'And so it is.' 'charge the plasma rotors!' 'hello there.'
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Darth_Gamek Registered: Aug '09	Date Posted: 10/6 2:57am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor? - Date Edited: 10/6 2:59am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Gamek
	We see his goodness a number of times, especially throughout the prequel trilogy. He offers smart political advice to Queen Amidala, and expresses his concerns when Zam Wessel tries to assasinate her. It's unmistakably clear that he considers Padmé a friend, which would be impossible if he were "purely evil" as many fans choose to believe. He's concerned for Padmé's well being to the point that he recruits Anakin to the Dark Side so that they can work together to save her life. Ugh, this woman is what I need the boy to attach to, so I can tear him away from it. If not, I would have killed her myself for not letting me build my Imperial Army! He throws tradition out the window to arrange for Anakin to join the Jedi council, even though he knows the Jedi will be angry with him. He knows how important it is to Anakin, and is willing to risk the suspicions of the Jedi to do him a favor. Excellent, the boy is being angered at not being privileged with the data and holocrons the Masters can access. This will start his path towards the Dark Side, and possibly let me know on the Jedi Council's treachery! When he senses that Anakin is in danger, he flies all the way to Mustafar just to see if his friend is safe. The tone of urgency in his voice when he tells his Clone escorts to get a medical capsule seems to show how close Anakin is to his heart. The boy better pull through, or else I raised an idiot and the prophecy was written by Jar Jar Binks! After Anakin (Darth Vader at this point) is injured battling Obi-wan, a concerned Palpatine visits him in the medical room to see if he's alright. There's a certain sorrow in his voice when he tells Anakin that Padmé has died. When Vader breaks through the table's restraints, Palpatine smiles upon seeing that his friend is not only alive, but healthy and strong. The boy had better be alright, I need him to find a replacement to kill him! Excellent, he made it! Hahaha "sorrow" for Padme! YEAH RIGHT!!! Good, looks like the boy still has some strength left, but either way my new apprentice will be far more powerful than this tin can! He's so sad to kill Luke at the end of RotJ, and you can tell by looking at his face. Obviously he wanted Luke to join him and Vader (as Vader is the closest thing to "family" that he has). Even though the ways of the Dark Side dictate that he must kill Luke, deep down he clearly doesn't want to hurt someone so important to Vader. Ugh, the stupid boy! He refused my offer for such power! And now he leaves me with a tin can who's 1/4 as powerful as he was 23 years ago! So there. EDIT Ugh...I just realized I turned Palps into Robot Chicken Palps. -----signature----- Starkiller: Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father. Luke: He told me enough! He told me Vader killed him! Starkiller: No. I killed your father. Luke: NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!! - The ending of Ultimate Sith Edition
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epithree Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 10/6 3:18am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	-----signature----- 'And so it is.' 'charge the plasma rotors!' 'hello there.'
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Darth_Laudrup Title: Host: PT Trivia Challenge Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 10/6 4:36am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor? - Date Edited: 10/6 4:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Laudrup
	I find the thought of there being anything good in Palpatine to be absurd. He is the arch-villain of the entire Saga. It would be a bit stupid and even silly if he was not utterly and completely evil. -----signature----- I love Ellen Page: 5' 1" / 1.55 m tall and very very sexy.
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xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 10/6 2:13pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	I agree; the idea is that Sidious was the EviL. But I do have a question on that. The scene where he finds Anakin burnt to a crispy critter on the lava shore - why did he try to save him? I question that because Sidious was generally ruthless - he didn't usully waste time on lost causes and failures. I would have expected him to kick Anakin in the lava and leave. Then I got to thinking perhaps because Anakin had managed to survive - no mean feat - Sidious felt that a good amount of power might just remain if he could cobble Anakin together again - so that might be why he seemed so desperate to save him. Then I thought perhaps too, Sidious believed that he actually needed Vader in order to succeed - that his ability to sense the future showed him failing without him. But in any case, that wasn't made too clear in the movie, and that was about the only scene where I thought one might misconstrue Sidious' behavior as compassion. But I don't think it was - I am just not sure exactly what his motivation was. -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 10/6 2:22pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	xx_Anakin_xx posted: I agree; the idea is that Sidious was the EviL. But I do have a question on that. The scene where he finds Anakin burnt to a crispy critter on the lava shore - why did he try to save him? I question that because Sidious was generally ruthless - he didn't usully waste time on lost causes and failures. I would have expected him to kick Anakin in the lava and leave. Then I got to thinking perhaps because Anakin had managed to survive - no mean feat - Sidious felt that a good amount of power might just remain if he could cobble Anakin together again - so that might be why he seemed so desperate to save him. Then I thought perhaps too, Sidious believed that he actually needed Vader in order to succeed - that his ability to sense the future showed him failing without him. But in any case, that wasn't made too clear in the movie, and that was about the only scene where I thought one might misconstrue Sidious' behavior as compassion. But I don't think it was - I am just not sure exactly what his motivation was. I have a few ideas as to Sidious' reasons there. First, his "he's still alive" comment sounds like he's impressed, and maybe that convinced him Anakin was worth saving. Second, I think he feels he's invested a lot of time and energy into turning the so-called chosen one to the dark side, so he doesn't want to write all of that off unless Anakin really is a lost cause. Third, he may realize that, once saved, Anakin may be easier for him to control (due to the limitations of whatever sort of life-support suit they will be able to use).
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dewback_rancher Registered: Aug '09	Date Posted: 10/6 5:29pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	That, and at that point, with the Jedi Order in shambles, with Obi-Wan and Yoda in hiding, and with Luke and Leia's era DECADES in the future, THERE WAS NO ONE EVEN AS POWERFUL AS POST-MUSTAFAR VADER WAS LEFT TO TAKE AS AN APPRENTICE. So really, he was terrified that if Anakin went at that point, he'd have to wait YEARS to find someone else worthy of being his apprentice, and even THEN there was a very good chance he WOULDN'T. And the most ironic part would be IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL HIS FAULT. -----signature----- "If you know you're going to make an idiot out of yourself in public, you might as well have FUN with it!"- me, on my philosophy on life
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ILuvJarJar Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/6 5:41pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	Palpatine was one of the most sinister and evil things in the galaxy during his rule as Emperor. He didn't do any thing even decently good during his reign. the dark side pretty much consumed him. -----signature----- ROTJ < ESB < ATOC < ANH < ROTS < TPM < TCW Star Wars Battlefront Elite Squadrons: Fall 2009 Proud President of the Salacious Crumb fanclub Star Wars>>>>>>>>My Social Life It is well worth it.....
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 10/6 7:07pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	dewback_rancher posted: That, and at that point, with the Jedi Order in shambles, with Obi-Wan and Yoda in hiding, and with Luke and Leia's era DECADES in the future, THERE WAS NO ONE EVEN AS POWERFUL AS POST-MUSTAFAR VADER WAS LEFT TO TAKE AS AN APPRENTICE. So really, he was terrified that if Anakin went at that point, he'd have to wait YEARS to find someone else worthy of being his apprentice, and even THEN there was a very good chance he WOULDN'T. And the most ironic part would be IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL HIS FAULT. Yes, I meant to add reason #4: "Lack of a suitable alternate candidate."
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dewback_rancher Registered: Aug '09	Date Posted: 10/6 7:36pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor? - Date Edited: 10/6 7:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: dewback_rancher
	Exactly. People forget that while Vader post-Mustafar may not have been exactly what Sidious bargained for, but, at 80% of the strength of THE GREATEST SITH LORD IN HISTORY- and given that Sids and Yoda are even, that would mean Vader's nearly as strong as the venerable Jedi Master to boot- power wasn't exactly anything to SNEEZE at, either. He was STILL one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever, even WITH his limitations, and even had Order 66 NOT taken place, only the likes of Yoda or Mace really could've done much to Vader as of the Original Trilogy. The man was a juggernaut. In any case, as far as Palpatine showing any concern about Anakin, where was that concern when he was so ready to replace Vader the INSTANT someone BETTER came along? That's right- clean out the airlock. -----signature----- "If you know you're going to make an idiot out of yourself in public, you might as well have FUN with it!"- me, on my philosophy on life
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epithree Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 10/6 9:42pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	As for the river of lava scene, some people have misconstrued Palpy's action as a comforting gesture. I admit it, it does look like an act of sympathy when Sidious places his gnarled hand upon Anakin's forehead, but I agree with everyone that said Palpatine is just pretending. Does anyone actually believe the Emperor was truly concerned for Anakin during this scene? -----signature----- 'And so it is.' 'charge the plasma rotors!' 'hello there.'
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 10/6 11:20pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	I believe Palpatine did show concern there. It just wasn't concern for Anakin's well being. Palpatine was concerned that he was going to lose his newest weapon, one that he'd worked for thirteen years to craft just as he wanted it. After working that hard to create the perfect tool of the dark side, I'd be concerned about having to start over too. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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epithree Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 10/7 1:15am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	Based upon that rationale, the concern that Palpy displays is genuine. Palpy is forced to care about Anakin, due to his sinister plan. His own selfish purposes dictate that he must be concerned for Ani. -----signature----- 'And so it is.' 'charge the plasma rotors!' 'hello there.'
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 10/7 7:52am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
	Yes, the "touch on Mustafar" scene that is sometimes held as an example of compassion from Palpatine. I don't see it as compassion, but I do see it as concern, as others have said. But it's not so much concern for Anakin as a person as it is concern for him as a damaged tool that Palpatine has put a lot of time and effort into... a tool that had such great potential that he is concerned about losing it.
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