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Author Topic: Is there still good in the Emperor?
jedimasterbac  6271 posts
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Date Posted: 10/7 9:55am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
epithree posted:
Based upon that rationale, the concern that Palpy displays is genuine.

Palpy is forced to care about Anakin, due to his sinister plan.

His own selfish purposes dictate that he must be concerned for Ani.


His concern is genuine, but his concern is selfish and self-serving. He doesn't care about Anakin's physical or mental well being, just his power. He doesn't care about Anakin living for Anakin's sake, just for his own power's sake. His concern should not be confused for compassion. He is concerned for himself and how Anakin's loss could affect himself, not how it could affect Anakin.

 

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xx_Anakin_xx  1824 posts
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Date Posted: 10/7 3:23pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor? - Date Edited: 10/7 3:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: xx_Anakin_xx
I agree that Sidious' concern for his tool and the idea that perhaps there was power still within Anakin due to his survival - was the likely reason for action on his part. You know the problem is the way it was acted out on screen. After ordering the Medical capsule, Sidious kneels and then places his hand on his head - I would imagine it would be to add a little Force power to Vader's to help him survive, but, the motion is done too quickly, almost like a caress. So that is why I guess Sidious' intent can come across as deceptively compassionate. I agree though that it could not be compassion because Sith don't do compassion.

 

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epithree  1120 posts
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Date Posted: 10/7 11:03pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
xx_Anakin_xx posted:
I agree that Sidious' concern for his tool and the idea that perhaps there was power still within Anakin due to his survival - was the likely reason for action on his part. You know the problem is the way it was acted out on screen. After ordering the Medical capsule, Sidious kneels and then places his hand on his head - I would imagine it would be to add a little Force power to Vader's to help him survive, but, the motion is done too quickly, almost like a caress. So that is why I guess Sidious' intent can come across as deceptively compassionate. I agree though that it could not be compassion because Sith don't do compassion.


Hmmm. thinking I never thought of it that way. Perhaps Palpy is helping Anakin through the force when he touches Ani's forehead.

Yeah, 'the touch' looks like a caress. However, I don't believe they intended to portray compassion at all.

Palpy is simply assessing the situation.

 

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dewback_rancher  131 posts
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Date Posted: 10/8 12:03pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor? - Date Edited: 10/8 12:09pm (2 edits total) Edited By: dewback_rancher
Ah, yes, the infamous 'caress'.

I always saw it as Palpy just nervously reassuring himself that his carefully-laid plans haven't been derailed- in other words, not so much him showing compassion as it is the one time you see his supreme confidence that everything's going according to plan falter, and even then it's only for that brief second before he's all 'It is all as I have forseen' again.

Seriously, Palpatine's heart is as gnarled and black as that cane of his.

 

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epithree  1120 posts
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Date Posted: 10/8 7:04pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
The 'caress' is infamous indeed.

Hmmm... the one time Palpy's confidence falters. I suppose that's correct. It's strange to see, but you've sold me about it.

As we all know, overconfidence is his weakness.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10409 posts
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Date Posted: 10/8 7:32pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
epithree posted:
Hmmm... the one time Palpy's confidence falters.


Well, there's also his attempting to flee from Yoda, and one of his expressions during their confrontation.

 

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dewback_rancher  131 posts
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Date Posted: 10/8 7:59pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
SO true- even though it was the culmination of all his years of scheming, ROTS certainly showed a more uncertain Palpatine than anywhere else. Last-minute jitters, maybe?

 

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epithree  1120 posts
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Date Posted: 10/10 1:21am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
Arawn_Fenn posted:
epithree posted:
Hmmm... the one time Palpy's confidence falters.


Well, there's also his attempting to flee from Yoda, and one of his expressions during their confrontation.


When does he attempt to flee from Yoda?

 

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TwiLekJedi  70053 posts
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Date Posted: 10/10 5:18am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
"If so powerful you are, why leave?"

 

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epithree  1120 posts
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Date Posted: 10/10 11:19pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
Oh, I know the scene, but do they actually show Palpy try to flee?

 

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TwiLekJedi  70053 posts
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Date Posted: 10/11 6:43am Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
He jumps toward the only exit, so I say Yoda's assessment is about right.

 

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Artoo-Dion  60 posts
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Date Posted: 10/11 8:12pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
Think about an angry, jealous husband who shows his wife great signs of love and affection in between beatings and temper tantrums. He probably genuinely thinks he cares for his wife, even though he's really more interested in controlling her as a possession.

It's on this level that Palpatine cares for Anakin, as seen on Mustafar. He may show compassion at that moment, but ultimately, Anakin's worth is only in how well he can serve his Master.

Anyway, either the OP is pulling our legs or is totally missing the point. Palpatine is not a man -- he's a pure archetype.

 

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epithree  1120 posts
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Date Posted: 10/11 10:33pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
TwiLekJedi posted:
He jumps toward the only exit, so I say Yoda's assessment is about right.


Hmmm. thinking Why does he try to escape? Isn't Palpy's overconfidence ruling his psyche at this point? Besides, he handles Yoda rather well, and most people around here believe that he defeats Yoda.

 

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Darth_Laudrup  3976 posts
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Date Posted: 10/11 11:02pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
I think Palpatine merely tries to avoid a fight, and that he hopes his army can take care of Yoda. I am not a Palpatine fanboy, but I think that maybe Palpatine is trying to avoid a fight like that so soon after he has founded his Empire.

In my oppinion Palpatine almost exclusively fights battles that he choses and tries to avoid fights that others have decided to begin.



I don't know if I make much sense, but I hope so. thinking

 

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epithree  1120 posts
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Date Posted: 10/11 11:16pm Subject: Is there still good in the Emperor?
Palpy doesn't seem fearful of Yoda until that moment upon the pod. As Yoda absorbs the lightning, and IMHO, starts to deflect it, the look upon Palpy's face says it all. So then, why would he try to flee at any time before this point. Not buying it. I don't think Palpy was attempting to run.

 

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