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brodiew Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 10/12 10:52am Subject: How did Vader know...
	'Escape is not his plan'? Vader knew kenobi was aboard the Deathstar, but what would make him say that Kenobi never intended to leave? -----signature----- “You were right about one thing, Master. The negotiations were short.”
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CaptainYossarian Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 10/12 12:09pm Subject: How did Vader know...
	It was probably a feeling he had from reading Obi-Wan's intentions. Vader likely determined that Kenobi knew he was on the Death Star and that a confrontation was inevitable. Whatever Obi-Wan was there to do, he did not intend to simply leave. If he had come out of hiding then he was now thinking of a rematch. -----signature----- "Orr would be crazy to fly any more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
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DarthLassic007 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 10/12 10:16pm Subject: How did Vader know...
	Kenobi had been out of Vader's life for years. He wouldn't have finally shown up and just left. -----signature----- Veni, Vidi, Vici. - Julius Caesar
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/15 4:01pm Subject: How did Vader know...
	It's either that he knows it's no coincidence, the Force being what it is; or that he just knows Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't go just anywhere without a purpose -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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JEDIGUNSHIP Title: C&G Game Host Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 10/15 4:10pm Subject: How did Vader know... - Date Edited: 10/15 4:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: JEDIGUNSHIP
	Vader could easily guess that is former mentor was on some kind of mission, and knew that a confrontation between the two of them would be inevitable. -----signature----- Blue and yellow make a green lightsaber. How do you get red out of blue? Council Member in the New Jedi Trials/ Commander-in-Chief of the Rebel Alliance Addicted to Rock Band 2 and Proud of It! SWC Secret Rebel '09 Band Geek For Life!
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 10/17 11:03am Subject: How did Vader know...
	I would say he knew from the experience of their last meeting. After jumping/fighting around falling structures over hot lava on Mustafar, a Death Star full of stupid clone/storm troopers certainly wouldnt scare off Kenobi in order to get to Vader. Vader also probably presumed Kenobi came specifically to the Death Star looking for him, not realizing it was really a coincidence/happenstance (or, yeah, determined by the destiny of the Force,) and that Kenobi was really looking for a way out. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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CloneUncleOwen Registered: Jul '09	Date Posted: 10/17 12:10pm Subject: How did Vader know...
	Actually, it's just dramatic vacuum designed to create suspense, since the Force as portrayed at that time (and pointed out in the film) does not give Vader clairvoyance. There is no backstory as to what transpired between Vader and Obi-Wan (the Mustafar BBQ i.e.) other than a master/pupil relationship. The nice thing is, of course, you can make anything out of it you want. Plenty of backstory and films since then gives you all kinds of latitude, as well as some confusion. Personally, I like the idea of Vader figuring that Obi-Wan wasn't coming out of hiding and hitching a ride to the Death Star just to rescue Leia. Maybe another BBQ? -----signature----- Hey, what are you trying to pull here... (CLICK) pull here... (CLICK) pull here...
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Delorean_Kenobi Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 10/18 7:21am Subject: How did Vader know...
	As a Jedi student of Obi-Wan's Vader would have known that Kenobi would put the requirements of the mission above his own life, so he knew that Kenobi would never have just fled without completing what he started on Mustafar. Of course Vader didn't know that Kenobi's presence on the Death Star was a complete coincidence. He would have assumed Obi-Wan had finally found his opportunity to face Vader again, and once Kenobi realised Vader was on the Death Star his mission changed from escape to confrontation - and both Vader and Kenobi knew it. -----signature----- "It started out like Romeo & Juliet but then it ended so tragically..."
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xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 10/18 8:27am Subject: How did Vader know... - Date Edited: 10/18 8:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: xx_Anakin_xx
	Seems to me that Vader would realize that if Obi-Wan wanted a confrontation, he could have done so anytime during the prior 20 years or so, under far more advantageous circumstances. I think when he felt him through the Force, he realized he was there sabatoging something, perhaps in line with rescuing the Senator or something else. In the OT, the Force didn't provide clairvoyance, but it did provide Jedi the ability to read intent to a certain extent. I thought Vader simply meant that Obi-Wan was still sending off waves of intention to do something there rather than trying to flee at that time - not because he necessarily wanted to confront Vader. But Vader decided that is what was going to happen. -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
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SaberSlash Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 10/20 9:11pm Subject: How did Vader know... - Date Edited: 10/20 9:13pm (1 edits total) Edited By: SaberSlash
	Given that there are thousands and thousands of Imperial Troops on the ship and Kenobi voluntarily began working his way through tthe most secure Imperial ship, it is only logical for Vader to assume that Kenobi knew his odds for escape were slim. The other issue is that Kenobi would not come out of hiding after 20 years to tour the Death Star. I think it is as simple as Vader rationally concluding Kenobi was up to something. -----signature----- Put your weapon away, I'm mean you no harm.
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Aggravated71 Registered: Aug '09	Date Posted: 10/30 12:01am Subject: How did Vader know...
	Vader knew Kenobi was there as a Jedi to destroy him/or the Sith.A battle between a Jedi and the Sith is meant to be to the death,at least in a Siths point of view more than a Jedi.He knew the return of Obi wan was to be a fight to the death,no rematches! That is why Vader said he must face Kenobi alone and face him that way.The stories/movies have changed and filled in new gaps over the years,but the battles between Jedi and Sith was always meant to be about one standing in the end.Obi wan was too old and weak to finish the job,but smiled and let himself be cut down to aid Lukes escape so Luke could possibly one day be able to destroy the Sith.
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 10/30 3:20am Subject: How did Vader know...
	^^^ Most evident in the Darth Maul appearance at Theed Palace. Without prior Star Wars knowledge, folks might have (and many do) that it was silly for the villian to just stand there in front of a platoon size force like some kind of idiot. But it started in '77. Sith/Jedi (Knights with Sabers, back then) deal in personal showdowns and like how Stormtroopers stayed outta the way, the Naboo forces backed away when Jinn said so. So the answer - Vader knew it was high noon. -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 11/1 6:27pm Subject: How did Vader know...
	The posts in this thread have, IMO, pretty much been right on the money. For one, Vader could sense it through the Force. I actually disagree with... CloneUncleOwen posted: the Force as portrayed at that time (and pointed out in the film) does not give Vader clairvoyance. ...this. For one, we can’t take what Motti said as fact because he quite obviously didn’t in believe in the Force. He was accusing Vader of holding onto a sham religion, and so he couldn’t have clairvoyance because the Force, to Motti, didn’t exist. That’s why he called Vader’s devotion a sad one. Furthermore, like what’s been said before, Obi-Wan wouldn’t come out of a twenty year exile just for the sake of the Death Star plans, especially when he hadn’t done a thing to help the rebellion prior to that. If Obi-Wan was to go aboard the Death Star like that, then he was looking to confront Vader. Personally, I’ve always been a proponent of the idea that Obi-Wan’s choices throughout the film (going to Alderaan, going aboard the Death Star, confronting Vader, etc.) was basically all leading up to what he knew was going to be a suicide fight because he knew he would be able to aide Luke better after becoming one with the Force and using Qui-Gon’s ghost trick. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/1 7:13pm Subject: How did Vader know...
	jedimasterbac posted: Personally, I’ve always been a proponent of the idea that Obi-Wan’s choices throughout the film (going to Alderaan, going aboard the Death Star, confronting Vader, etc.) was basically all leading up to what he knew was going to be a suicide fight because he knew he would be able to aide Luke better after becoming one with the Force and using Qui-Gon’s ghost trick. Interesting. I think the scene/dialogue below may support that idea, because Obi-Wan gives Luke a certain look, and says nothing along the lines of "I'll meet up with you guys later"... what he says sounds pretty much like a farewell (although I don't think Luke catches on to that then). Obi-Wan: I don't think you boys can help. I must go alone. Han: Whatever you say. I've done more that I bargained for on this trip already. Luke: I want to go with you. Obi-Wan: Be patient, Luke. Stay and watch over the droids. Luke: But he can... Obi-Wan: They must be delivered safely or other star systems will suffer the same fate as Alderaan. Your destiny lies along a different path than mine. The Force will be with you... always!
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jedimasterbac Title: CT and Fan Design Manager Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 11/1 7:22pm Subject: How did Vader know...
	eht13 posted: jedimasterbac posted: Personally, I’ve always been a proponent of the idea that Obi-Wan’s choices throughout the film (going to Alderaan, going aboard the Death Star, confronting Vader, etc.) was basically all leading up to what he knew was going to be a suicide fight because he knew he would be able to aide Luke better after becoming one with the Force and using Qui-Gon’s ghost trick. Interesting. I think the scene/dialogue below may support that idea, because Obi-Wan gives Luke a certain look, and says nothing along the lines of "I'll meet up with you guys later"... what he says sounds pretty much like a farewell (although I don't think Luke catches on to that then). Obi-Wan: I don't think you boys can help. I must go alone. Han: Whatever you say. I've done more that I bargained for on this trip already. Luke: I want to go with you. Obi-Wan: Be patient, Luke. Stay and watch over the droids. Luke: But he can... Obi-Wan: They must be delivered safely or other star systems will suffer the same fate as Alderaan. Your destiny lies along a different path than mine. The Force will be with you... always! Definitely. Plus, he specifically told Vader "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." He clearly didn't just pull that out of a hat. He knew exactly what he was doing. The fact that he just "suddenly" gave up indicates that too. He didn't see Luke running to the Falcon and suddenly just think "Hmm, maybe I should die and come back as a ghost. Yeah, great idea!" That wouldn't make any sense. It was just the appropriate time to do what he had been planning to do. -----signature----- Star Wars: Episode I - The Chosen One http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_I_-_The_Chosen_One Production blog: http://alternativesaga.wordpress.com/
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/2 10:34am Subject: How did Vader know...
	jedimasterbac posted: Definitely. Plus, he specifically told Vader "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." He clearly didn't just pull that out of a hat. He knew exactly what he was doing. The fact that he just "suddenly" gave up indicates that too. He didn't see Luke running to the Falcon and suddenly just think "Hmm, maybe I should die and come back as a ghost. Yeah, great idea!" That wouldn't make any sense. It was just the appropriate time to do what he had been planning to do. Yes, that line definitely proves his intent and his pre-existing knowledge of how things would go when he faced Vader. I just thought the other dialogue showed support for that idea at an earlier point in the film... Luke may not catch it, but Obi-Wan is saying goodbye when he leaves that control room. I'm thinking there may even be small signs of this before they left Tatooine too, with him thinking he probably won't ever be back there again... something in the way Obi-Wan looks around his house, or the way he appears to ponder things very briefly before basically deciding "this is it, the time has come."
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