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MisterVader  913 posts
Registered: Nov '06
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Date Posted: 10/15 12:04pm Subject: Special Edition alterations. - Date Edited: 10/15 3:49pm (2 edits total) Edited By: TwiLekJedi
When the CGI stormtroopers and dewbacks show up outside of the cantina, C-3PO says "I don't like the look of this."

Right before a group of stormtroopers shows up with a CGI probe droid in the streets of Mos Eisley, C-3PO says "Lock the door, R2."

As Han Solo runs into a giant group of digitally added stormtroopers in the Death Star, he screams and runs away.

Right as we first see the digitally-extended cell block, an Imperial officer says "Where are you taking this...thing?"

Right as Darth Vader's lightsaber is shown with added color where it didn't exist before, Luke blasts the door and seals it off.

Every single SE alteration exists within the story and the characters react to their presence. Check out my unfairly locked threads for more.


TLJ Edit: Had this been your first thread and without the dig at the administration it might have stayed. We don't mind wacky theories, but I mind your behaviour.

 

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Darth Dark Helmet  11271 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 12:37pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
Don't seem to unfair to me, not when we have this: Official DVD Thread #2 - Changes Discussion thread, already devoted to an in depth discussion of everything you've brought up. the link is right there at the top of the page, took me 6 seconds to find it.

 

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MisterVader  913 posts
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14718_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/15 12:49pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
Darth Dark Helmet posted:
Don't seem to unfair to me, not when we have this: Official DVD Thread #2 - Changes Discussion thread, already devoted to an in depth discussion of everything you've brought up. the link is right there at the top of the page, took me 6 seconds to find it.

Except that this is about the changes being a part of the diegesis, which apparently no one has ever noticed before. It's a completely different topic.

Do you think that everything George Lucas does is a meaningless glitch, too?

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10407 posts
Registered: Jul '04
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Date Posted: 10/15 1:36pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
MisterVader posted:
Except that this is about the changes being a part of the diegesis, which apparently no one has ever noticed before.


Because it's only happening in your mind.

Kenobi can't be talking about OOU events twenty years in the future of the filming of ANH.

 

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MisterVader  913 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 2:17pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
Arawn_Fenn posted:
MisterVader posted:
Except that this is about the changes being a part of the diegesis, which apparently no one has ever noticed before.


Because it's only happening in your mind.

Kenobi can't be talking about OOU events twenty years in the future of the filming of ANH.

He wasn't then. He is now. Always in motion is the future. GL has more foresight than you can possibly imagine.

Notice how he made the changes where they make sense, and not all over the place.

Also hilariously awesome: pay attention to every single SE alteration instead of assuming I'm wrong. They all depict the "Empire" invading the diegesis and (where applicable) the rebellion fighting against them.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10407 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 2:31pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
MisterVader posted:
He wasn't then. He is now. Always in motion is the future.


Yet the past remains the same. That's why the phrase is not "always in motion is the past" or "always in motion is the meaning of anything". He's still talking about what he was talking about in 1977. It didn't change to become a self-referential statement about the SE just because Lucas made the SE. It's an in-universe statement no matter what happens.

 

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MisterVader  913 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 2:44pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
Arawn_Fenn posted:
MisterVader posted:
He wasn't then. He is now. Always in motion is the future.


Yet the past remains the same. That's why the phrase is not "always in motion is the past" or "always in motion is the meaning of anything". He's still talking about what he was talking about in 1977. It didn't change to become a self-referential statement about the SE just because Lucas made the SE. It's an in-universe statement no matter what happens.

It will always also be an in-universe statement, yes.

I never asserted that just because Georgle Lucas changed it, it becomes a self-referential statement about the SE. The context of the changes and the specific changes themselves do.

Bolded part: In this case, yes it is. Actually, every single change in the SE turns SW into a self-referential Empire/Alliance allegory played out in our world. All of them, specifically. Check it out. peace

 

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CaptainYossarian  316 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 2:53pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
What about when the wolfmen in the Cantina were replaced by other aliens. No one in the story mentions or reacts to that and the Empire is not involved. Also there is the different noise Obi-Wan makes to scare off the Tusken Raiders and the blinking eye of the dianoga. I don't think they are especially relevant to anything that's happening at the time.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10407 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 3:01pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
MisterVader posted:
I never asserted that just because Georgle Lucas changed it, it becomes a self-referential statement about the SE.


Really? Huh. Well, I'm glad we cleared that up.

MisterVader posted:
Actually, every single change in the SE turns SW into a self-referential Empire/Alliance allegory played out in our world.


Contradiction big heap amusing! laugh

I don't think Lucas knew what he was getting into when he made the SEs, because he didn't get the cheat sheet with your imaginary rules on it.

 

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MisterVader  913 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 3:36pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
CaptainYossarian posted:
What about when the wolfmen in the Cantina were replaced by other aliens. No one in the story mentions or reacts to that and the Empire is not involved. Also there is the different noise Obi-Wan makes to scare off the Tusken Raiders and the blinking eye of the dianoga. I don't think they are especially relevant to anything that's happening at the time.

It isn't just "the Empire." It's the spirit of the Empire, i.e., unwanted invasion. For instance, CGI Jabba and Han trying to get him to leave. "Even I get boarded sometimes" is said right before Han is digitally moved over Jabba's tail. Han is "boarded" by an Imperial starship, i.e., under fire from fan criticism of this very change (and also the alteration by George in and of itself) even though the Empire isn't literally there at that moment in the story. He even follows it up with "You think I had a choice?"

The Tuskens flee the sound, the dianoga is a monster the heroes try to repel, one changed shot of aliens has that devil guy lurking in the background. The cantina changes as a whole reflect changes similar to the digitally enhanced sky as R2 rolls in the Jawa canyon--it's different from how you remember for the sake of better conveying a sense of the ominous.

 

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MisterVader  913 posts
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Date Posted: 10/15 3:43pm Subject: Special Edition alterations.
Arawn_Fenn posted:
MisterVader posted:
I never asserted that just because Georgle Lucas changed it, it becomes a self-referential statement about the SE.


Really? Huh. Well, I'm glad we cleared that up.

MisterVader posted:
Actually, every single change in the SE turns SW into a self-referential Empire/Alliance allegory played out in our world.


Contradiction big heap amusing! laugh

I don't think Lucas knew what he was getting into when he made the SEs, because he didn't get the cheat sheet with your imaginary rules on it.

Cute how you ignored and omitted the section of my post that refutes your argument.

Once again, I never asserted that just because Georgle Lucas changed it, it becomes a self-referential statement about the SE. The context of the changes and the specific changes themselves do.

All of the changes are remarkably consistent in this regard. Of course, what would you know about asceticism?

 

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