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Daughter_Of_TheForce
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2/7/03 3:28pm
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Let me try to understand what you're saying. Are you saying that because his copyright control over the originals is so sparce and weak that even if they were to make bajillions of dollars, most of that money would be dispersed to people other than LFL?
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DarthMalifluous
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2/7/03 3:58pm
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No...
What I'm saying is that there are countless other films that have seen "Special Edition" status and their structure leaves "participants" in the dust. I'm not assuming that Lucas is only releasing the SE simply on a base financial decision, but like everything in life there are far more layers than are admited to, and based upon industry practice and Lucas' ability to not only define industry practice but also to embrace it at certain times, it would not surprise me to learn that Lucas' motivation behind the "only the SE will be released on DVD" is so much more than simple "these are how I've envisioned the films all along".
Maybe it is just as simple as that, I really have no idea how the SE "points" contracts have been drawn up (if there even are such beasts)... I really don't know. But it is a disinct possibility.
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Lanky
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2/7/03 4:16pm
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Opps. Disregard this post 
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Darth-Stryphe
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Why? cause in 20 years, people will watch all 6, in order, having never seen any before. And it would really suck if they didnt fit together as one story, not one story where suddenly it looks bad half the time after the middle.
As I said in another thread, this will not make any different. Look at the SE, most of the effects are still 1977 effects. This will be the same way with the Final Editions. In order for it to be otherwise, a near re-shoot will be necessary. No matter how much touching up GL does, the OT will never look like it was filmed in the 2000s.
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Digger
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2/7/03 6:25pm
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Oh, I know they'll never be up to 2000s standards (look at luke's hair ;-) ), but should they not be as close as possible?
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that_guys_wise
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2/7/03 6:37pm
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They could have been made to look as close as possible - the PT could have been made to look like the OT.
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DarthMalifluous
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Why, so they can all look excessively outdated once again in 20-30 years as fashion and style continue to leap forward? The 70's hairstyle is "of an era" and gives the film that much more charm because of it IMO. Who knows... with bellbottoms back in a big way 70's hair may be next making the PT films look outdated a lot quicker than the OT 
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The2ndQuest
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The SE's weren't considered a different enough film to qualify for award ceremonies such as the oscars- I doubt Lucas's copyright hold over them was considered changed enough.
Also, just because a director doesn't feel one version of his film isn't the definitibe version, doesn't mean the alternate ones shouldn't be shown. For example, James Cameron always stands by his theatrical cuts as being his "director cut"- yet many of his movies have had a DVD release with the alternate or extended version available on it.
Now, perhaps Cameron is merely being gracious, but there are few, if any, films (shy American Beauty and Payback) I can think of where an unaltered or alternate version of a film was not being released to DVD due to the intent of the director himself.
Even Spielberg understands that it's important for the original version of a film to be preserved.
It's utterly insulting that Lucas would dare even consider doing this to such a prominent and key piece of film history. It's disgusting.
I have nothing against the SE's, and I don't care which version Lucas feels is the definitive version- let the SE's be the default playback option on the DVD and hide the original version on a sub-menu if you want, but Lucas needs to look past his own self-interests and look at the larger picture.
Despite their "flaws", the original versions absolutely must be preserved. This is what Lucas needs to understand.
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That_Wascally_Droid
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2/7/03 8:01pm
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I'll repost this here:
As for boycotting etc, that's all very noble and what not, but I doubt it will solve anything.
Most everybody who wants SW on DVD won't give a hoot which version it is anyway because most of them probably won't be die hard fans.
If you guys are really dead serious about this, it's going to actually take work.
Also, don't play the motion as though you're the one holding the cards. Lucasfilm is the one in control here. Not fanboys, so don't start making obsurd threats and ultimatums. LFL will laugh them away.
No, you have to supply proof of why such an addition would be benefitial to the company. If they don't see a reason (and so far Lucas doesn't), they're not going to do it.
If you really think they're greedy and heartless, tug at the heartstrings of their pocketbooks.
In other words, you're going to need more than just: 'But I like that version better! Waaahhh! Travesty!' to which they'll reply 'Yeah whatever. Here's your fre copy, now go cry me a river.'
You need to fully bring forth the logic side of the argument. The pathos side isn't going to get you anywhere.
Remember, this is a huge multi million dollar company. Not random fanboy 24601 on a mesage board who you're trying to convince is wrong for liking the SEs.
You'll need to put forth these arguments in an organized and polit manner.
No condescending and calling Lucas a pinhead.
These arguments and reasons should proceed the petition.
As for the actual petition:
I suggest once you have the introduction and argumentive essay/report done, you put it in a format for people to print up and sign.
Once the fan has done this, they can mail it to you.
Once you have a sufficient number (I'm talking a big number, not just 200 or so), the petition leader then mails them to Lucasfilm.
Don't try to forge signatures.
Go about this completely honestly.
If one person forges one signature, it could destroy all for which you have fought and suffered
The goal I would seriously go for is to have the original versions as an extra ala ET. both sides win that way.
Well. What do you think?
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2/7/03 8:19pm
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That_Wascally_Droid has an excellent point. If anything is going to persuade Lucasfilm on this , it's going to have to be a unified front, not some lone gunman ranting mailed to Lucas. (unless of course, the mail floods the Ranch so much he can't walk.  ) A informative essay/petition is really the way to go.
Remember, as much as this is for the diehard fans here, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of film and DVD fans who will feel robbed if the originals do not make it to DVD. If we really want to make it effective, we should try to get some support from online DVD sites, film sites, etc. No offense to anyone here, because I dress up, too, but a couple thousand guys who dress up like Jedi and stormtroopers aren't going to really make that much of a dent.
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That_Wascally_Droid
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Here would be a great place to start.
Starting listing valid reasons for Lucasfilm to add in the O-OT.
And if you say something like 'thousand of fans would want it!!!!11!!!1!11' you're going to have to supple proof.
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The Digital Bits had a small rant on this yesterday, but I particularly liked this excerpt:
"Filmmakers have a responsibility to their audience and to cinema history. Lucas owes it to every single Star Wars fan that ever paid $5 for an action figure or $8 for a theater ticket to preserve the original experience. I don't care if he doesn't like them. We love them. I don't care if he owns them. In a equally real and important way, we own them too. They're part of our childhood! Steven Spielberg understood the importance of saving the original version of E.T. ,including it on DVD recently along with his "better" 2002 version. Lucas needs to follow his lead. Hey... don't get me wrong. I'm dying to see the new CGI-finished versions too. It's his right to remake the films the way he always wanted to in the first place, and I'm all for it. But he still needs to preserve the original versions. He owes it to the fans, he owes it to everyone who ever worked on the films and he owes it to generations of film lovers as yet unborn. "
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Lucas is not mentally sound! He must not be allowed to maintain control of the Star Wars movies any longer! We should ostracize him! It'll be all shakespearean; we'll all stab him, he'll say "And you too, QuiGonJinn?" then I'll say "It's not that I don't love you, it's that I love Star Wars more."
Seriously, I'm furious about his decision. The SE's suck ass!
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That_Wascally_Droid
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2/7/03 9:52pm
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OK, those last two posts are what Im' talking about.
Those are going to get a laugh and a toss.
1. Lucas owes nobody nothing. He already gave you the originals and your toys and more movies and more years out of his life than he ever had to. He owes you squat.
2. Openly questioning Lucas' mental state is also not going to get you anywhere.
You know. Judging from most of your guys' posts I thought that you guy's cared about this. Guess I was wrong. Enjoy your SE DVDs...
Now come on people!
You do nothing but rant and rave about the SEs and now that you can actually do something about it you're going to toss it away by childish acts?
C'mon! You're better than this.
Now let's get some real arguments here!
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