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DarthIktomi  1380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/8 12:33pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
Oh, another not-quite-misconception since TTT hadn't been written yet and I hadn't read Marvel, I thought Luke was the Emperor at the end. When I first heard of Heir to the Empire, I thought it'd be about attempts to assassinate Luke so he wouldn't be Emperor.

 

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T-R-  520 posts
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Date Posted: 6/9 3:08am Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid. - Date Edited: 6/9 3:37am (2 edits total) Edited By: T-R-
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My biggest misconception as a kid was the same one everyone else's was: That the Clone Wars were wars against clones.


That, and that Anakin was older (~18 or so) when he meets Kenobi and joins him on an idealistic crusade.

That Yoda trained Kenobi in the way the movies show Jinn training Kenobi.

That Mrs. Skywalker went with Leia into hiding and died when she was a toddler.

That the concept and manipulation of the Force was more spritual than genetic.

That the Jedi were allowed to marry and have kids.

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 6/9 2:03pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
T-R- posted:
That Yoda trained Kenobi in the way the movies show Jinn training Kenobi.


Well, now, that's not a misconception. You've seen the Younglings in AOTC and ROTS and you know that Yoda taught the Younglings. The only misconception is that Yoda was the only teacher Obi-wan had. He is and has been Obi-wan teacher.

 

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T-R-  520 posts
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Date Posted: 6/9 2:37pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
It was a misconception because I thought Yoda trained Kenobi as a young adult. Ben says that he was "the Jedi Master that instructed him", not "a Jedi Master" or "one of many" but THE.

 

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DarthIktomi  1380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/9 4:37pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
T-R- posted:
That, and that Anakin was older (~18 or so) when he meets Kenobi and joins him on an idealistic crusade.


You forgot the "damn fool" part.

T-R- posted:
That Yoda trained Kenobi in the way the movies show Jinn training Kenobi.

That Mrs. Skywalker went with Leia into hiding and died when she was a toddler.


Not really a misconception.

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That the concept and manipulation of the Force was more spritual than genetic.


Well, it's technically not genetic, since it's the concentration of midichlorians, not the individual DNA. But it's entirely possible that certain genes affect one's internal ecology to favor more midichlorians. Or in other words, Force sensitivity is determined by the concentration of midichlorians r, but the genes determine the total potential midichlorians in the body K.

T-R- posted:
That the Jedi were allowed to marry and have kids.


That goes with mine. Also not really a misconception since Yoda says "The Force is strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned." Which I interpreted as teaching your children.

 

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T-R-  520 posts
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Date Posted: 6/10 2:45am Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid. - Date Edited: 6/10 2:48am (2 edits total) Edited By: T-R-
DarthIktomi posted:

Not really a misconception.

It didn't play out that way in the PT, so yeah, it was a misconception. You really can't argue with what some misconceived.


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Well, it's technically not genetic, since it's the concentration of midichlorians, not the individual DNA. But it's entirely possible that certain genes affect one's internal ecology to favor more midichlorians. Or in other words, Force sensitivity is determined by the concentration of midichlorians r, but the genes determine the total potential midichlorians in the body K.

Genes are genetic. Lucas said midi-chlorians are similar to mitochondria, so technically it is genetic. Just to end this conversation once and for all let's see what else Lucas has to say:

"It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."
-George Lucas, establishing guidelines for the Expanded Universe in 1977[src]


"We also get into this thing of what are Midichlorians, how they work which advances a little bit of the story of the Force, and how does the Force work, how we come to know the Force which is part of Anakin’s training in learning to become a Jedi. And take the idea of the Force one step further. The Midchlorians are kind of a side issue. Not in a sort of spiritual, metaphysical part of the Force, but the more practical, biological, physical part of the Force, or how we come to know the Force, which has to do really with the genetics of why some people have more in tune to the Force than others."

--George Lucas, Star Wars-The Phantom Menace: The Annotated Screenplays, 1999.


Yep, it's genetic.

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That goes with mine. Also not really a misconception since Yoda says "The Force is strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned." Which I interpreted as teaching your children.

First how would yours be a misconception and mine isn't? If someone watches the movies and makes assumptions that are proven wrong as the story unfolds, that is a misconception.

 

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DarthIktomi  1380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/10 9:55am Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
What I meant is, if we don't know it, it's not really a misconception.

Luke being royalty because he's Leia's brother = misconception
Luke being royalty because he's the heir apparent to the Empire = not a misconception, until you read the EU

 

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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon  7410 posts
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Date Posted: 6/10 11:48am Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
Agreed, Iktomi.

Believing that the events of the PT actually happened the way they are described in the OT (and presented as FACT) =/= misconception.

It's not a misconception just because Lucas forgot half the OT when making the PT.

 

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Date Posted: 6/10 12:56pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid. - Date Edited: 6/10 12:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: TheSockster
I thought TPM was the Bible Story, with Qui-Gon Jinn as Jesus and Darth Maul as the Devil.

 

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DarthIktomi  1380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/10 1:06pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
It's not a misconception just because Lucas forgot half the OT when making the PT.


Don't worry. He can edit it any way he wishes with digital technology.

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 6/10 2:39pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
T-R- posted:
It was a misconception because I thought Yoda trained Kenobi as a young adult. Ben says that he was "the Jedi Master that instructed him", not "a Jedi Master" or "one of many" but THE.


Yoda trained Obi-wan in the Jedi Arts from six months of age until he was one month shy of his 13th birthday. Qui-gon Jinn taught Obi-wan how to apply his training in the feild, for the next 12 years. Qui-gon does not teach Obi-wan how to use the Force in TPM. He teaches him people skills. This is why Obi-wan quotes Yoda right away in TPM. Yoda taught him to be mindful of the future.

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"It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."
-George Lucas, establishing guidelines for the Expanded Universe in 1977[src]


Uh, that can't be quite right. Where did you get that quote from?

Lucas did set up that the Force was gentic back in the second draft of ANH. The Force was passed on to the decendents of the Skywalker, the first one to discover the Force. In time, his decendents became half of the galaxy. But it was clear early on that only certain individuals could use the Force. Maybe not so much in ANH and TESB, but by ROTJ it was when Luke talks about it running strong in his family.

Jedi_Kerian_Halcyon posted:
It's not a misconception just because Lucas forgot half the OT when making the PT


No, it's called Lucas changed things because certain ideas did not fit.

DarthIktomi posted:
Luke being royalty because he's the heir apparent to the Empire = not a misconception, until you read the EU


Why did you think that Luke was going to be the heir to the Empire?

 

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DarthIktomi  1380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/10 7:42pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
darth-sinister posted:
Why did you think that Luke was going to be the heir to the Empire?

Well, Darth Vader was Palpatine's obvious successor, and…Do I have to give you a play-by-play of how Luke is Vader's heir? Well, Anakin Skywalker and some woman (name unknown at the time) at some point had relations, and nine months later, two kids popped out, named Luke and Leia because twins should always have names beginning with the same letter. But Anakin was evil now, so their mother and Obi-Wan wisely hid them so they wouldn't die or become evil as well. Luke was hidden out in the middle of nowhere with Obi-Wan's brother Owen. Leia was hidden in plain sight, with a very influential family of Jedi sympathizers.

 

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T-R-  520 posts
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Date Posted: 6/11 3:05am Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
Well then half of the things in this thread don't count as misconceptions happy

darth-sinister posted:
Yoda trained Obi-wan in the Jedi Arts from six months of age until he was one month shy of his 13th birthday. Qui-gon Jinn taught Obi-wan how to apply his training in the feild, for the next 12 years. Qui-gon does not teach Obi-wan how to use the Force in TPM. He teaches him people skills. This is why Obi-wan quotes Yoda right away in TPM. Yoda taught him to be mindful of the future.

All of this is true, but in ESB Ben says "the Jedi Master who instructed me." He doesn't say one of the Jedi Masters or the jedi master that taught me the jedi arts until I was almost 13, he says the Jedi Master that instructed me. That gives the impression that Yoda was solely responsible for his training. If someone says "this is the teacher who taught me philosophy," you would think that there was only one teacher, not a couple.

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Uh, that can't be quite right. Where did you get that quote from?

Actually, not only can it be right - it is. Pick up the hardback verison of the making of Star Wars book. It has a memo from the 70's that I don't think is in the softback version.

 

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Wookiee_Vader 
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Date Posted: 6/11 6:24am Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid. - Date Edited: 6/11 6:26am (2 edits total) Edited By: Wookiee_Vader
I thought that in ANH when the Falcon gets attacked by that TIE near the remains of Alderaan, the actual name of it was a 'short range fighter' - I figured that Kenobi was correcting himself after saying "it's an Imperial fighter" rather than correcting Han.

I also remember thinking that Hamill was actually being electrocuted and was in excruciating pain when they filmed that scene in RotJ. I knew what I DIDN'T want to be when I grew up!

Also thought that AT-AT was pronounced 'at at'... Force Commander, you didn't help there.

 

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DarthSeether  65 posts
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Date Posted: 6/11 12:53pm Subject: The misconceptions you had about Star Wars, when you were a kid.
Wookiee_Vader posted:
I thought that in ANH when the Falcon gets attacked by that TIE near the remains of Alderaan, the actual name of it was a 'short range fighter' - I figured that Kenobi was correcting himself after saying "it's an Imperial fighter" rather than correcting Han.


OMG, you just reminded me--I had this exact same misconception. I thought Obi-Wan was correcting himself.

In fact I remember thinking that maybe his powers in the Force WERE getting a bit weak like Vader says later, since he made a mistake in predicting the type of ship.

 

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