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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/13/08 12:59am Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	Vortigern99 posted: STORMOTROOPERS Heh. -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/13/08 5:01am Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	Vort - the Han/Jabba scene in ANH? --- Rubbish? I wanna know how you feel about that scene because I think it would manifest itself on how you would accept/disapprove of Ice Cream Maker getting some extra time in the Cloud City Evacuation. It's actually looking more like they have additional footage that could be thrown together. Is it possible a well acted cameo/great dialouge of Ice Cream Maker might have Vort change his tune???? -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/13/08 10:55am Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	Yeah, no, I'm not a fan of the Jabba scene in 'ANH'. I'm old school, yo! /throws up 'Galactic Rebellion' gang sign/ I think it ruins the pacing and the reveal of the Millennium Falcon from Luke's POV. It also repeats dialogue verbatim from the Greedo scene, and has rather poor CGI to boot. Han stepping over Jabba's tail is ludicrous and embarrassing. So, no, I'm not generally a proponent of inserting new/old footage into the films. Thankfully, the McDiarmid Emperor re-shoot is tastefully done IMO, and the Vader "Alert my SD" etc. scene at the end is brief, though that too strains the pacing of an already lengthy denouement. Sticking in ICMG is not going to happen anyway, so it's silly to argue about it. Let's see his whole family running down the corridors, each with an ICM of corresponding size and gender-based design! His wife's is less phallic and more uterine in shape; his children's are like delicate seashells. After ICMG saves the toddler as I described above, amidst the mounting chaos he meets his family -- two wives, four children (they're polygamists, natch!) -- who all agree to protect the orphan kid until they can find its parents. They flee together to a docking bay adjacent to Slave I's, where they watch aghast as Leia and Lando fail to stop Fett from taking off. ICMG, in a fit of rage, flings his ICM after Slave I. The object falls hopelessly short and plummets to the abyss below. Close on ICMG. He's teary-eyed after his harrowing experience. Realization dawns on him. He shuffles his family into their cloudcar (similar to Lando's guards' cars, but with four pods instead of two) and tells his wives: "Look after the children! I've -- I've got something I have to do!!!" He watches them leave, then proceeds to commandeer a guardsmen's vacant cloudcar -- and soars after Slave I, following its trajectory into the atmosphere. -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/13/08 6:30pm Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	^^^ Ok .... But I think the new Deluxe ESB 30th Anniv. release will have some more ICM - but not that kinda stuff. Just a simple line or two. -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 7/13/08 7:28pm Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	The Jabba/Han scene in ANH just contradicts Jabba's character. I mean, Jabba wouldn't let a single person step on his tail, they'd be rancor'd. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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DarthTunick Title: Arena's Streak for Colors Host Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/13/08 7:29pm Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	There had to have been more meaning of that ice cream maker other than what it's supposed to do: it cannot be that hard to find a replacement in the GFFA. 2008: The 50th season of L.A. Dodger baseball 2007-2008 L.A. Lakers: At least they beat expectations! -----signature----- September 11th, 2001 -Never forget Viva Los Angeles! RIP, Cody "Snowball" Reeves, 1978-2008. Lawrence Tanter is my homeboy. 2009-2010 L.A. Lakers: 11-3, my record at Staples Center: 0-1
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/13/08 11:39pm Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy - Date Edited: 7/13/08 11:41pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BigBoy29
	Without the demeaning slapstick step on tail, and "wonderful human being" cheese ---- it could have been useful - have Fett give Han the "slit throat" sign or Jabba say something real menacing. Edit - Back on point -- Ice Cream Maker could really add tension to Cloud City, there were heroic actions that took place and that was one of 'em. -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/14/08 11:34am Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	^ ^ ^ Jabba: Even if the dialogue were re-written (which could be done, since it's in an alien language),and the tail-stepping were somehow mitigated, the whole scene still spoils the pacing, and especially the Falcon reveal, which should be a special moment. ICMG: It's fun to dream up scenes with ICMG from a fan-fiction or DH Comics POV. In this thread I've given at least three fun/imaginative scene extensions based on this premise, and there are probably thousands of other possibilities. But the movie is about the protagonsts and the antagonists. It is not about background extras who happen to be running past the camera. Derailing the focus of the film to zero in on the supposed heroism of an extra is something none of the other films do, and is not in the best interest of a clean, efficient, clear through-line. We might as well argue for telling Gold Leader's tragic backstory in 'ANH' or exploring the secret origins of Salacious Crumb in ROTJ. It's unnecessary, superfluous, clumsy and about three hundred other redundant adjectives. -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/14/08 10:40pm Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	Vortigern99 posted: ^ ^ ^ We might as well argue for telling Gold Leader's tragic backstory in 'ANH' or exploring the secret origins of Salacious Crumb in ROTJ. It's unnecessary, superfluous, clumsy and about three hundred other redundant adjectives. Don't you see my bone of contention with you Vort? Nobody wants to see Hood's family, origins, problematic past, etc. Why do you keep making this a point? We all agree he's a minor character. What I do want is brief cogent dialogue, a tense interface with Lando or Lobot, and then of course - get him the hell out of the movie when he starts bookin' down the corridor with the Ice Cream Maker. -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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HemDazon90 Registered: Mar '08	Date Posted: 11/30/08 3:16pm Subject: RE: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	he should have his own novel -----signature----- "Young fool. Only now, at the end, do you understand. Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now, young Skywalker, you will die."
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 12/5/08 7:04pm Subject: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	^^^ A little too much ... the book would be a dud. but I would enjoy it if Ben & Jerry's could get a flavor named after him. -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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ILuvJarJar Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 12/12/08 12:15pm Subject: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	guittarjedi posted: Is that from the SE or original ESB? Both. I have never noticed this guy, weird I notice EVERYTHING. -----signature----- ROTJ < ESB < ATOC < ANH < ROTS < TPM < TCW Star Wars Battlefront Elite Squadrons: Fall 2009 Proud President of the Salacious Crumb fanclub Star Wars>>>>>>>>My Social Life It is well worth it.....
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 12/12/08 2:45pm Subject: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy - Date Edited: 12/12/08 2:48pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Merlin_Ambrosius69
	BigBoy29 posted: What I do want is brief cogent dialogue, a tense interface with Lando or Lobot, and then of course - get him the hell out of the movie when he starts bookin' down the corridor with the Ice Cream Maker. I maintain that adding in ICM footage, of any length or content, to the film is absurd. To insert additional frames into the lengthy running time of ESB would be to further compromise a note-perfect cinematic masterpiece, already slowed somewhat by the SE Shuttle sequence. Scratch that: Even without the Shuttle sequence, the last thing ESB needs is to turn a barely-glimpsed (if amusing!) extra into a speaking part. Fortunately for posterity (and admittedly for my own peace of mind), LFL would never devote millions of dollars to filming a single frame of a "story" better served by a SW Tales comic book, or (see below)... HemDazon90 posted: he should have his own novel BigBoy29 posted: ^^^ A little too much ... the book would be a dud. but I would enjoy it if Ben & Jerry's could get a flavor named after him. Well now, why not a novel? That idea I mush prefer. If the author kept a certain wry eye on the proceedings, a dash of wit here and there, a sprinkle of absurdity just to point up the obvious... I think an ICM novel would be a cracking good adventure-comedy a-la Robert Lynn Aspirin (RIP). -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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Darth Dark Helmet Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 12/13/08 6:49pm Subject: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	Actually, I think they should completely re-do ESB, but do it from the perspective of Ice Cream Maker Guy. -----signature----- When dealing with genocide, you must ask yourself, "What would Hitler do?" And then, you know, do the opposite.
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BigBoy29 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 12/16/08 3:23am Subject: Empire Strikes Back's Ice Cream Maker Guy
	Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: Well now, why not a novel? That idea I mush prefer. If the author kept a certain wry eye on the proceedings, a dash of wit here and there, a sprinkle of absurdity just to point up the obvious... I think an ICM novel would be a cracking good adventure-comedy a-la Robert Lynn Aspirin (RIP). Uh ... because Vort, I don't even see you shelling out $12.95 for a ICM Star Wars adventure. If I would'nt ... I really doubt you would. -----signature----- Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe". Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square." Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
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