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SLAVE2
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Bsync-Fett
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i love the part in rotj when the falcon is chasing to tie's and it just gets quite then u hear dodododod and sphshpshpshp! the falcon crushes then both and flies threw the flames anyone know what im talking about? that was sweet!
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If it wasn't for the Ewoks ROTJ might have surpassed ESB! The Ewok sequence wasn't bad, I liked it. It was just not as enjoyable as the rest of the film. ROTJ is my 2nd favorite SW film.
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DarthWastemeister20
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ROTJ was always my favorite growing up. It's jam packed with energy and the plot lines that run through it are crucial to everyone's understanding of SW. The final space battle was the best ever...better then TPM, better than everything. Luke's duel with Vader is full of emotion and it's jus perfect. No movies are better, this is number 1. AOTC was a good movie, but the only "energy" was the love story. In the original trilogy, that was a side story. UNless GL uses the love as anakin's fall in ep III (won't happen) then it should have taken a backseat. EU all the way!
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markdil
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Why do people always fail to realize that the Ewoks were getting their butts kicked until Chewie took over the AT-ST?
Also, Boba Fett's death was *supposed* to be anticlimactic. That's the point. GL is trying to show that there is still a bit of randomness in the universe. Just because Boba was killed on accident, it doesn't mean he is somehow less skilled as a bounty hunter. Just like Vader tossing Palpatine down the shaft. Does this mean Vader is a more powerful Sith than Palpatine? NO, it just shows that you never know quite what's going to happen.
I think the problem is that the Dragonball Z generation just can't comprehend Star Wars. They want to know who has the highest midi count... who is the best fighter... who will always defeat who? Well it just doesn't work that way, and neither does the real world. Mace could fight Dooku 10 times, theoretically, and win 3 times and lose 7. It just depends on the circumstances! Just like the Cubs could play the Sox and there's no guarantee that the better team will always win. This is one of my pet peeves about Star Wars fans, sorry to go off on such a rant.
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7/26/02 12:52pm
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Palpatine: Your hate has made you powerful, now take your fathers place at my side
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Luke: Never, I'll never turn to the Darkside, you've failed your highness, I'm a Jedi like my father before me
Best moment in the Star Wars saga, bar none! And heck, thats fact not opinion!
CORRECT, way to go!
Darth_avernus said:
1) Not enough of "Luke's becoming a powerful Jedi" is shown on screen.
2) Boba Fett death is totally anticlimatic.
3) The Ewoks victory over a stormtroopers regiment on the moon of Endor just doesn't make any sense.
kingpin says:
1)lies! it is shown less in the other two films.
2)it's meant to be! and doesn't he survive?
3)we've established that, catch up.
silky said:
i dont think that ROTJ really displayed the jedi correctly in the sense that the movie seeks to perpetuate their invunrability to the state that all Luke had to do was sneeze and the galatic battle was won. I feel that the demonstration of Luke flaws in ESB shows that the jedi are not uber beings but just mortals with greater abilities, also i got much more sense of jedi power in empire with the fight with vader where he throws objects at Luke through the force, also vader's deflection of blaster bolts with his hand and how about the scene where they flee with vader calling Luke over a huge distance in space with the force elevates the movie to my fav of all time. Admittedly good old plaspy is my second favourite SW character of all SW wheather EU or otherwise ESB still has a little more magic than the rest of the movies, even down to the ending music with our buddies looking out the window never has and never will fail to send chills up my spine and put i smile on my face. If there ever has been hero music then this has to be the perfect example of such. 
kingpin says:
you obviously haven't watched JEDI for a long time. the force is there and the vibe is stronger than EMPIRE. we watched EMPIRE last time, now it's time for me an' you to watch JEDI - THE BEST FILM 
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Master_McKee
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I like the empire strikes back and return of the jedi alot but return of the jedi is the only one out of the clasic trilogy that has Emperor Palpatine in person.
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ROTJ's my favorite SW film, it's the most entertaining and fast-paced and the action sequences by far are the best scenes in the series. The Ewoks never bothered me, even though some of their scenes are indeed silly.
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Emperor_Billy_Bob
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Yes. Yes! It is time ROTJ was truly appreciated for what it is.
Return of the Jedi is my favorite Star Wars film, it probably goes like this
1.Return of the Jedi
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Star Wars
4.Attack of the Clones
5.The Phantom Menace
I just can't help but love the constant action, and the final development of Luke, as well as Palpatine's actual presence.
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Vaderbait
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Apparently people don't bother to notice those 20-40 Rebel soldiers shooting blasters, the stole AT-ST, and the fact that the outnumbered Stormtroopers were being distracted and knocked off balance by the Ewoks.
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Qui_Gon_Jim23
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Ah, c'mon, Stormtroopers could've been knock off balance by a stiff breeze.
EDIT: too many big words.
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not the best overall, but the best space battle, the best lightsaber duel and the most dramatic confrontation, the Vader, Luke, Palpatine scenes are fantastic, they are what everything is building up to...
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Galactic_Emperor
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I would certainly disagree with the claim that ROTJ is the best SW movie. I could describe the battle of endor quoting myself from a post:
"the imperials are totaly clumsy at the battle of endor. First, you have the imperial legion turning TOTALY their backs on the forest, which is in terms of modern military proceddings is a absolut foolisness (but that is "crucial" cause if not the ewoks couldnt approach the imps...or could they? it could be, with this film director...). Then, after they are attacked, they show a complete lack of any battle coordination, its every one for himself. We dont see anyone giving orders, regruping, NOTHING. Thats just pathetic. what are the officers doing in this legion?
The stormtroopers are indiscritible...do you imagine today anyone in tarzan-like style toopling armed soldiers?...man thats absolut crap. Guess what? thats what the ewoks do. And guess what? the stormtroopers should even be imune to ewok spears and arrows with their advance armor, yet they are very vulnerable to tiny ewoks. The most pathetic scene is that of the flying ewok, droping a stone in the stormtrooper (he just stands in his place, waiting to be hit...LOL). Another ridiculous seldom mentioned detail is that Han and Leia are near the backdoor of the station, totally uncovered and vulnerable to the lots of stomtroopers near them. Yet they remain unscathed...the imperial soldiers should all be near blind...And both are ALWAYS in the same place...c´mon, they should, by the time leia is hitten, have their legs with pain just being in the same position all that time...
Is this the empire´s best troops?????
What I would like to really know about that battle is this...what happened to the gross of the legion? we only saw some of them killed...what of the rest?...the officers, majority of storms, naval guards... They had a lot of firepower...where did they went? or they just conveniently drop out of endor, so that the ewoks and rebels would win?..."
Vanderbait posted:
"Apparently people don't bother to notice those 20-40 Rebel soldiers shooting blasters, the stole AT-ST, and the fact that the outnumbered Stormtroopers were being distracted and knocked off balance by the Ewoks."
first, there werent more then 8 rebel soldiers in endor. Second how could a single AT-ST win a legion of stormtroop? especialy in forest environment? thats not ilogical, its ridiculous, like the whole battle.
As for the battle in space it seems spectacular, but i could say it follows the logic of the battle of endor: patethic...up until the SSD is destroyed (very late in the battle, at a time where the rebels already had very high losses), we see the imperial fleet winning the puny rebel fleet (remember that althought the fleets have the same number of capital ships, SD are much larger and capable then rebel cruisers and much more then frigates or corvettes). After that, the next time we see the battle, it is...over!!...where the hell the imperial fleet went? home? got bored from the battle? In the novelization of ROTJ, it was explained that there was a "comunications ship" whose destrution, cupled with that of the SSD hampered the imperial fleet. However, there wasnt any such ship in the movie, and what need there was for such vessel? didnt the fleet already had a command vessel? didnt each imperial vessel had "radio" or somthing like that to comunicate?. EVEN so the imperial fleet was more then strong to be beaten to death by the rebel alliance, because of 2 ships destroyed...
"Best moment in the Star Wars saga, bar none! And heck, thats fact not opinion!"
Of course thats your opinion
"lies! it is shown less in the other two films."
ROTJ was supposed to be the movie were he was a true jedi. Certainly, his clumsy performance against vader was complete proof of the contrary.
"not the best overall, but the best space battle, the best lightsaber duel and the most dramatic confrontation, the Vader, Luke, Palpatine scenes are fantastic, they are what everything is building up to.."
best battle is ANH, best lightsaber is ESB, most dramatic confrontation ROTJ or ESB,not sure.
I think the problem with the making of ROTJ is that the rebels HAD to defeat the imperial forces...it was not enough to simply kill the emperor...but how would GL show it in the screen?...well because it was too ridiculous to show it, he simply decided NOT to show it...he gave us SOME battle scenes, not enough for us to see the carnage that was going on in the rebel and ewok lines, then gave us some scenes where the imps where biting the dirt, then ended the battles before the spectators could figure out what happened, leaving then in the dark: yeah, the good guys cleaned house on the baddies...SOMEHOW they did it...
Clearly ROTJ was screwed from the beginning because clearly it was stuff for 2 movies, not one, not even by a long shot. Too much loose ends to fix.
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the rotj due to its very nature had to be a light hearted movie with the immpossible amount of loose end to fill it was never going to be the perfect movie. But as i said earlier in the thread ROTJ is far to clean cut, the concept is unrealistic and by the way KINGPIN how is the force vibe stronger as i said the real power of the force was conveyed far better in ESB as to how it measured up against lesser mortal such as to how a half trained jedi would fare against a sith lord or the dark side cave, not forgetting Yoda lifting the x-wing as well as the instances of force powers mentioned earlier in the thread. Whereas ROTJ jedi has Luke deflecting bolts with a lightsaber where ESB has Vader blocking blaster fire with his hands, please tell me which conveys the power of the force more. Or how about the FAILED attempt of Luke to manipulate Jabba's mind, or how's about the emotionally charged fight between Luke and Vader in ESB where Luke lands his blows with anger thus taking his first steps to the dark side thus setting up the final show down in ROTJ, in this same fight vader show true power when it comes to the force when he hurls a stupidly high number of objects at Luke which really turned the fight whereas ROTJ's preminant display of the force came at old palpys hand when lightning comes from his hands which didn't convey the same sense of epicness to me at all.
So please in what way does ROTJ have a greater force "vibe" as the theme seems somewhat more redundant in Jedi then it does in ESB.
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DARTH_ZELIG,
Wow, I totally agree with all 50 of the complaints on the URL that you posted. I would have added another that I don't think I saw: Lightsabers look too "blob-like."
I think that the general outline to Return Of The Jedi is brilliant, it's just poorly put together on screen.
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