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DeJade_Vu
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11/1/02 3:55pm
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Truly excellent.
Hmm...I don't think Ben actually lied to Luke. He told the truth, but told it in a way so that it DIDN'T seem like the truth.
If you know what I mean.
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lightknight
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11/3/02 11:30am
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If Ben had told Luke who his father was before he was ready, Luke would have hated his own father and no doubt killed him without compassion.Where was Vader when Luke needed his help? Why he destroyed his sister -maybe- birth planet(and,in that case, his too)? Why did he allow his aunt and ouncle to be murdered that way? Why he wanted to destroy him id he was his son? And so many other questions...
Ben didn't want to hurt the feelings of the young jedi, and told him something that was someway true.
Ben had thougful reasons to do so, and I think we cannot blame his memory for this, as well as Luke didn't.
When he confronted Vader and knew which was the real situation, he has been trained enough to understand that there was a path of light he had to follow, and that he had to save his father from the dark and self destroying path. He had learned to develope his most hidden feelings, and his love moved Luke to find something good in Vader.
Of course, he was tempted to join the dark side and stop beeing worried anymore...just join his father and let things go...
But the truth and the real nature of Good and Bad was deepely rooted in him, so Ben's 'lie' did not become his perdition.
Never forget that Ben himself had helped Luke to think that way.
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Obi-Wan McCartney
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11/3/02 12:04pm
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I think the scene that always got me was after Luke finds himself hanging on a pole underneath cloud city, he sees his one hand fly down to the planet, and then the door closes on him from above! He's so screwed! And when he calls his mentor and hero, Obi-wan, who he already feels may have lied to him, doesn't come to his aid!
I really didn't know what Luke was gonna do. The first time I saw the scene I thought Obi-wan for sure was going to pop out in the spirits and somehow save Luke.
I was pretty relieved when Leia came to the rescue.
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LastEmperor
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11/3/02 9:45pm
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How can you NOT love Luke? He's the ultimate hero, the main Hero of the Star Wars Saga. He's got no flaws, he's the guy we love to route for.
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DeJade_Vu
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I swear, there is just no Luke fans in this section at all...
Have they all fallen off the face of the earth and perished in the black cold of endless space, or what?!
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Skywalker1138
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11/6/02 9:57am
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I own the Gothic Skywalker site to Medieval to Mark Hamill and am an avid Mark Hamill fan. Met Mark H. in 1995. We're few but definately around and proud of our hero!
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ObidioJuan
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I'm an old f@rt!, so I watched SW (not ANH) in 1977, remember the name ANH was added on a re-release in 81 (if I recall correct).
My favority character was Luke. He's the "unlikely" hero, very small farmboy, never done anything outside his home, yet comes through big time when the time comes, but is still just a silly kid.
ESB is a learning movie for Luke, he's maturing as a young man and learning of life and the force, but gets kicked in the butt throughout the whole movie. In Hoth twice!, then Yoda, then the cave ('remember your failure at the cave'-Yoda), then Vader.
In ROTJ he's more dark, mature, sure of himself and turn loner, no longer does he need his friends/family that much, all he cares is his role as the GFFA last hope.
To prove my point when my 3 yr. old son watched the SW saga (OT and EPI), his favorite movie is ROTJ and his favority character is Luke even over EP I and Ani. To me this is the greatest proof that ROTJ is the greatest SW movie to date!
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VanLiz
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11/6/02 4:16pm
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Lightknight,
I understand Ben's point of view. Luke wasn't ready to hear the whole truth just yet and Ben was trying to protect him. I agree with Ben's decision. But the lie as well as all of the things that happened to Luke during Star Wars and ESB seemed to be too much for Luke to deal with (they would have been too much for me to deal with) and that's why I felt sorriest for him at the end of ESB.
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DeJade_Vu
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11/8/02 8:00am
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I've been to your site, Skywalker1138! It was a while, though. I went there to see some rare pics of Hamill. Do you still have those?
To prove my point when my 3 yr. old son watched the SW saga (OT and EPI), his favorite movie is ROTJ and his favority character is Luke even over EP I and Ani.
A wonderful child...an admirable child! 
Luke wasn't ready to hear the whole truth just yet and Ben was trying to protect him. I agree with Ben's decision. But the lie as well as all of the things that happened to Luke during Star Wars and ESB seemed to be too much for Luke to deal with (they would have been too much for me to deal with) and that's why I felt sorriest for him at the end of ESB.
That's how I see it, too. And poor Luke DID get beaten up more than any person in the whole Star Wars Trilogy. In the whole SW saga, even. [face_shocked]
Let's see, he was:
beaten up by sandpeople
grabbed by a diagna
slashed by a wampa
half frozen on Hoth
wacked by numerous objects that Vader moved through the force
lost his hand
zapped by lightening
Geez, what has he NOT gone through?
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Green_Destiny_Sword
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11/8/02 12:27pm
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So glad to see this thread! luke was the greatest of ALL Jedi. He did what Yoda and Obi Wan could not do, he saved the entire galaxy. The PT has only made it more clear how great Luke was.
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Niralle
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11/9/02 9:26am
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I concur. I mean, come on! Luke has been beaten to a bloody pulp way too many times. I didn't mind it so much in the movies because he was just learning, but if anyone has read the books, then you guys know that every other book has Luke stabbed, burned, knocked out, blown up, or ill. Very sad.
You guys want to hear something disturbing? Okay, I'll tell you! One of my close friends cannot STAND Luke Skywalker!. I mean, I wrote a fan fic about Luke, (which he read), and he explained to me--the author--that Luke was using his powers to show off! I'm the author! I would think that, being the person that wrote it, I would know why Luke was using his abilities. Isn't that crazy?!
(sigh) I don't get how anyone could not like Luke. Not be a fan, fine, but dislike him? It makes no sense!
Oh, and thanks DeJade for the link. I couldn't find the thread in here before, but I'm terrible at losing stuff, so I can't say anything.
You should put that in your signature, if you haven't already.
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Master_Byrd
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11/9/02 5:06pm
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Hi guys, I, too think Luke is the best character. I guess I can identify with him more than the others. He's a normal kid who wanted some adventure. I also loved him in ROTJ. Luke alone is the reason it's my favorite of the SW films. My favorite Luke scene is where he chokes Jabba's guards and mind tricks Jabba's assistant (don't know his name, pretty sure I'll hear it, though). So, rock on; Luke fans!
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11/9/02 8:15pm
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"If Ben had told Luke who his father was before he was ready, Luke would have hated his own father and no doubt killed him without compassion."
But if he tells Luke after his training is complete, Luke would have hated Obi-wan and Yoda more than he will Vader because Luke will be angry with them for lying to him since day 1 about his father being killed by Vader, decieving him into believing that Anakin and Vader are 2 seperate people, and using him as a weapon to destroy Vader and the Emperor just because they couldn't do the job themselves.
Luke would have exploded in all his rage and and anger like his father had which would push him to the darkside causing Luke to become a Sith.
It would have happened in ROTJ had Yoda and Obi-wan not come clean once Luke asked them if his father was Darth Vader. Just so you all know, I am also a Luke Skywalker fan but I feel bad for them that these 2 jedi would decieve him as a way to convince him to destroy his own father as well as the Sith Master that converted Anakin.
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Kitt327
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11/9/02 8:18pm
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Luke is the greatest fantasy hero ever, in my opinion. I like him because he's so human ... he really is tempted by the Dark Side, but he holds strong to his beliefs. Also, he's got a good heart ... he's willing to sacrifice himself to save the father he barely knows ... inspirational, in a way.
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SkywalkersSon
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11/10/02 9:23am
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Great Thread, DEJADE_VU! I agree that Luke Skywalker of all characters deserves one! He's my favorite STAR WARS character ever. No PREQUEL TRILOGY character comes even close!Thanks for pasting the link in Luke's SOS thread.
VANLIZ: I like the way the prequel trilogy is showing how Anakin faced nearly the same problems as Luke yet Anakin chose the dark side while Luke chose the light.
Very good point, VANLIZ! Bot of them had many of the same problems, temptations, and powers, but Luke Skywalker chose the Light path while his father chose the Dark path.
I really think LUKE is really the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force. Anakin Skywalker helped annihilate the Jedi Order. Luke saved his father and reestablished the order his father so ruthlessly decimated. I don't think of Anakin Skywalker as a hero. His son, Luke, and his daughter, Leia, are the true heroes as far as I'm concerned!
DEJADE_VU: That Binary Sunset scene is the one that everyone seems touched by. Every person who's seen SW seems to have loved that part.
It is definitely one of my favorites.
DEJADE_VU: I was actually a little mad that they put that music into Ep.II. Excuse me, but that's LUKE'S music!!!
I'm glad someone else feels that way. I was disappointed that they used Luke's theme too. The STAR WARS main theme IS Luke's theme. Even the composer, John Williams, identified it as Luke's theme. He wrote it he said after seeing the "brassy, bold, masculine, and noble qualities" in the character of Luke Skywalker.
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