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DeJade_Vu
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11/10/02 9:36am
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Ah! My friends from Lit. and EU Community are here! How wonderful to see a familiar...um....icon! 
I don't get how anyone could not like Luke. Not be a fan, fine, but dislike him? It makes no sense!
It doesn't, really. There's nothing about Luke that you could ardently dislike. None that I can think of, anyway. He doesn't COMPLAIN enough to make me dislike him, he isn't a jerk or a brat, so I can't see why...
I, too think Luke is the best character. I guess I can identify with him more than the others.
That's probably the reason I started liking Luke in the first place (one of them, at least). I mean, you can't identify with Han, obviously. And Leia, ditto. How could I identify with an Alderaanian princess involved with politics? But Luke? Ahhh, I could understand him.
He wrote it he said after seeing the "brassy, bold, masculine, and noble qualities" in the character of Luke Skywalker.
Masculine, noble...  I couldn't help it. My fingers typed it of themselves.
<-- Yeah, that's one of the reasons Luke's my favorite character! 
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Niralle
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I just think Lucas is trying to get people interested. I mean, Luke is based off of him. Even Mark Hamill pointed out that when he was acting out Luke, George Lucas would correct him until Mark realized he was more playing Lucas himself than a character. After that, everything went just fine.
I just don't get it. I like Anakin--he makes the best and most three-dimensional villian. Not hero. Can we sympathize for him? Sure, but I can sympathize for a drunk driver who accidently ran his car into a tree and died. That doesn't make him a hero.
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DeJade_Vu
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 Seriously.
Anakin is a character that I don't really like. Young Anakin, that is, not the ROTJ newly remade Anakin. Young Anakin never captured my attention. I'd like him more if he didn't do such...well...dumb things. Like when he charged and Dooku although Obe-Wan told him not to, resulting in lightening strikes and a lost arm. I was like, you dork! Another reason why I'm indifferent to him is because since AOTC came out, GALS who were Luke fans are now Ani fans.  . FICKLE, FICKLE PEOPLE!! I refuse to stoop to such fickleness!!
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lightknight
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11/13/02 3:24pm
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I really think LUKE is really the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force. Anakin Skywalker helped annihilate the Jedi Order. Luke saved his father and reestablished the order his father so ruthlessly decimated. I don't think of Anakin Skywalker as a hero. His son, Luke, and his daughter, Leia, are the true heroes as far as I'm concerned!
That's what I think too!! I have been discussing about it like a thousand times, but finally I've had no option than accepting Anakin (aaaaarrgh!) as the Chosen One, BUT LUKE AS THE SON OF THE SUNS, which means, the redeemer,the noble and high spirited,the True One.
But if I only had an argument I could add to this, I would say that he's really the Chosen One. He REALLY brings balance to the Force!!
The STAR WARS main theme IS Luke's theme. Even the composer, John Williams, identified it as Luke's theme.
YES,YES!!!! It was commonly called 'Skywalker Sinfony' before the PT appeared.It means that its whole name was 'Luke Skywalker Sinfony'
He wrote it he said after seeing the "brassy, bold, masculine, and noble qualities" in the character of Luke Skywalker.
You could'nt have described it with better words...
"If Ben had told Luke who his father was before he was ready, Luke would have hated his own father and no doubt killed him without compassion."
But if he tells Luke after his training is complete, Luke would have hated Obi-wan and Yoda more than he will Vader because Luke will be angry with them for lying to him since day 1 about his father being killed by Vader, decieving him into believing that Anakin and Vader are 2 seperate people, and using him as a weapon to destroy Vader and the Emperor just because they couldn't do the job themselves
Obi-Wan and Yoda also committed mistakes, but I'm sure they did'nt want to use Luke only as a 'powerful weapon' against Vader and the Emperor.It wouldn't have been human,nor compassionate or even,if you prefer (and beeing just strictely loyal to the Light Paths)'addecuate' to the Jedi way of handeling things.
But someway, it seems like Luke was to be guided to find his own destiny and discover the truth by himself...
He was the child who became a man when he was still too young to confront his own fate.
But he defeated all sort of prediction and brightened with a light that came from deep inside.He was not just a Jedi.He was a man and a human in all senses of these words.
He was...Luke Skywalker.
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lightknight
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I'm a thread killer! 
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DeJade_Vu
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Thread killer? THREAD KILLER? Of course you aren't a thread killer!! You made a nice long post, for which I shall be eternally grateful!! Now, if this thread were locked right after you made that post, THEN I might accuse you of being a thread killer...
I still don't buy that Anakin is the Chosen One. The prophecy said that the Chosen One would be the one who "brought balance to the force". I don't see how Vader's killing all the Jedi brought balance to the force. True, he did become Anakin again in the end, but would that balance out the force? I don't see how. Luke's bringing the Jedi back into being sounds much more Chosen Onesy to me.
I need a second opinion. Or a third one. Or a fourth or fifth or sixth one...or a couple hundred.
After all, the Han and Leia thread has 3000+ replies while we still have ONLY 60+!!
And Son of the Suns...could someone care to explain that to me? I've heard the term applied to Luke before but noone ever tells exactly what it is supposed to mean. When I hear it I think of Luke watching the Binary sunset.  . Oooo, maybe it could mean that this special person would come from Tatooine??
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Cilghal 2
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I'm a huge Luke fan and just found this thread. What a wonderful topic! My favorite, Luke Skywalker. The best, the very best.
As for one of my favorite Luke scenes? (Hard to say my VERY favorite, there are so many!) But the one that grabs my heart is in RotJ, where he knows he must go off to face Vader. Alone. He leaves the warmth of the Ewok village, his new-found sister, and the security of his friends to face not only his father, to try to turn him back to the light, but also the Emperor himself, and quite possibly, death. How hard that must have been! What strength of character it showed! Leia, usually the fighter and so strong, advises him to "run away!" But Luke chooses the hard, but ultimately the galaxy-saving, path. For this reason, Luke has my vote for the Chosen One!
And yes, please some enlightenment? Son of Suns?
Happy to meet you all!
Cil
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DeJade_Vu
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Glad you stopped by, Cilghal. Hope we'll see you around here again!
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The absolute greatest moment of all the SW movies is Luke watching the setting of the suns on Tatooine!!!!!!! The music soars, Luke yearns restlessly for adventure, and I am right there with him. Luke rocks!!!!!! He is honest, optimistic, and loyal. How could you not love him?
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DarthNoll
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What a great thread indeed! Another Luke fan here.
(sigh) I don't get how anyone could not like Luke. Not be a fan, fine, but dislike him? It makes no sense!
When I first saw SW and I was 8, I gotta tell you that I did not like Luke. I thought he was a whiny little so-and-so. He seemed very selfish. HOWEVER, as I got older and I saw the movie from "a different point of view" if you will, he makes much more sense for all the reasons that I've read here. Luke is very much a believable hero. Overcoming obstacles while still making mistakes. He's much more than the kid wanting to shirk his chores to go hang out with his friends. His best scene is definitely the setting suns scene on Tatooine... Luke does indeed rule.
I really think LUKE is really the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force.
In a way, Anakin does bring balance to the Force... he did have a hand in creating Luke, right? That's just my take. I've not talked with anyone else that thinks of it in that way - what do you guys think? Anakin may have brought balance to the Force by having Luke (the Chosen One)? Do they necessarily have to be the same person?
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Cilghal 2
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Thanks for the welcome, DeJade_Vu! Every Luke topic is a great topic....so I'm glad to be here and have found this thread.
As for the balance in the Force issue... Lucas wrote this double trilogy, I guess you might call it, around the life of Anakin Skywalker, so he's calling him the Chosen One. The galaxy was beginning to go to the Sith, Sidious was corrupting the Senate, and even the Jedi couldn't see it clearly. In the fact that Vader does the actual killing of the Emperor, he does the final "deed", but never would or could have without Luke! So it was the dramatic interplay between Father and Son that caused the upset of Sith domination, not just Anakin. So, Darth Noll, I'd have to agree with you, that it can be a combination of two very dynamic "Chosen Ones" to save the galaxy from evil.
And I just thought of something else.....it doesn't really bring "balance" to the Force, does it? "Balance" kind of infers a little of both of something, right? So a balance of the Force would mean some good balanced by an equal amount of evil. That's not what happens, though. The story is about good winning out over evil, not just becoming equal with it. By "Chosen One", I think I read "redeemer" more than "balancer", and in that regard, Luke is the redeemer, and Anakin is the redeemed. Maybe Lucas was trying to instill some Eastern mysticism into the whole Force concept with that line about balance. It seems to be more of a "good vs evil" struggle to me. Am I seeing it too black and white?
I'm curious if, in Ep. 3, they're going to test the midichlorian levels of Luke and Leia when they're babies. Like Qui-Gon tested Anakin in Ep. 1. I can't wait to hear how high Luke's level is! Sky-high!! The man is a tremendous combination of strength and tenderness. And am I a sucker for those!!
Cil
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Aerica
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Ahhh...Luke fan discussions. My favorite place to be! I love reading all these wonderful comments about Luke. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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DeJade_Vu
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 Thank you. It's way better than hearing guys complain on threads like, "What's so great about Luke", huh?
I see what you're saying, Cil. I can see how Vader's destroying Palpy might point to the fact of how he's the Chosen One, but like you I still can't see how that brought balance to the force...
...UNLESS, perhaps, it means that Vader finally balanced the force within him. After becoming Anakin again, I mean.
Or maybe the whole prophecy thing is screwed.
Noone has tried explaining the Son of the Suns thing, yet, by the way...
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I remember that kick ass page devoted to all things Mark and Luke.
I miss that page, it even had some of my haiku devoted to the OT on there.
OT will always be the best. These new films are wonderful, sure, but their campy majesty will never out shine the oldies.
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lightknight
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Sorry!!! I'm here again!!
Well, I myself don't know much about that thing of the Son of the Suns, but I know that, when Luke was born, there was said that he was going to be the owner of that name. The profecy about the Son of the Suns(fulfilled in Luke with no doubt from anybody)said that he would be perhaps not mighty and plenty of crude power as others (referring to midichlorians?), but strong in the force as anyone before;he was expected to do something of a relevance that no other would be able to do (helping, for example, Anakin to be the Chosen One and redeeming him?).
I've got a friend who knows a little bit more about this.I'll try to have him over here.
PD:If someone knows better this prophecy and sees that something I've said is wrong, you're free to correct me.
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