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Delance
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Oct '02
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11/7/02 8:33am
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RE: Star Wars and Christianity
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Naturally. It doesn't do any good though to say it isn't part of it when he said he did research by attending christian churches in his community at the time, reading texts on the subject, as well as on the subject of eastern religions and zen buddhism. So, the "religion" of Star Wars is based in part on christianity. It's in there, so what? Get over it.
Get over it?  Man, I wasn't saying that the Jedi Religion didn't get elements of Christianity. It has, as much as it has from other religions as well. The references are quite obvious, also.
George Lucas is all about the Power of the Myth.
My original point is that we have no evidence that the people on SW Know about Christianity.
I stand by it.
Just like they never went to Britan and speak in British Accents, and they never studied Terran Architecture and their buildings are Art Deco, they don't know Italy but Naboo looks like Venice. 
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Undomiel
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Date Posted:
11/7/02 10:51am
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Oh I agree. They know nothing about christianity or buddhism. It's called the Force, but it is based on christianity and buddhism
EDIT: It's also based in part on Judaism. So really "judeo-christianity and zen buddhism" is the more appropriate definition.
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Delance
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11/7/02 7:34pm
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Christianity IS BASED on Judaism.
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Undomiel
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11/7/02 8:22pm
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Yes, I know. I brought up the fact it is also based on Judaism because there are two separate and distinct parts of Anakin and Luke's life that mimic the differences between those two beliefs.
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Delance
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11/7/02 9:21pm
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Didn't know about that.
But *please* the "Anakin had no father" thing was just a bizarre movie from Lucas. That and Midchlorians. It was SO BAD that he abandoned this thing entirely on AotC. Let's just pretend it never happened.
GL might even be smart enought to ERASE this stuff from the new releases on 2005. Delete and tone-down gungans, jar jar, etc.
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razorsaces
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11/8/02 2:26am
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Oh, please, Jar Jar is just a scape goat for anyone that find Episode I to be disappointing to ANY degree. Can you honestly say that you came out of Episode I bitching about Jar Jar? I think people only picked up on Jar Jar slamming after a individual (or small group) made a big stink about it. Ideas are infectous like a virus.
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Bubba_the_Genius
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11/8/02 6:56am
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But *please* the "Anakin had no father" thing was just a bizarre movie from Lucas. That and Midchlorians. It was SO BAD that he abandoned this thing entirely on AotC. Let's just pretend it never happened.
Even if it was "just a bizarre move" on his part, we can't simply ignore it. Sure, neither was explicitly mentioned in AOTC, but so what? Both were used to establish that Anakin is the Chosen One; there's no need to bring them up during AOTC.
Besides, they DID re-emphasize the Chosen One prophecy, and Lucas has NEVER publically backtracked on either issue.
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DeJade_Vu
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11/8/02 7:50am
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That's right! It will DOMINATE your destiny, but it will not BE your destiny.
What?
Ha ha! When I was writing that I had the sneaking suspicion that I hadn't phrased it correctly, and now I find that I was right.
I meant that while the darkside will be a huge part of a dark user's life, there could still be a chance for the lightside to come
in.
Yes, and I wrote two big messages about it. Please don't ignore them.
I wasn't ignoring them; sorry if it seemed like it!
And I remember with clarity GL clearly saying, repeatedly, that the religion of Star Wars was a mixture of judeo-christianity and zen buddhism. It's pointless to continue arguing this.
 Maybe you're right!
But *please* the "Anakin had no father" thing was just a bizarre movie from Lucas. That and Midchlorians.
This may seem incredible, but at last I totally, completely agree with you on a point!! *fireworks go off*
My friends and I all like to say that Anakin's father died while Shmi was pregnant, and that the "no father" thing never existed. You may not be able to ignore the Chosen One prophecy, but you can try! 
I must say, though, that I sometimes think that maybe it was Luke, and not Anakin, who actually was the Chosen One. I don't see how Anakin brought balance to the force. Unless it was by his redemption in ROTJ, somehow.
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Delance
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11/8/02 10:58am
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Oh, please, Jar Jar is just a scape goat for anyone that find Episode I to be disappointing to ANY degree. Can you honestly say that you came out of Episode I bitching about Jar Jar? I think people only picked up on Jar Jar slamming after a individual (or small group) made a big stink about it. Ideas are infectous like a virus.
Dude, I was with a girl when I wathed TPM. I actually dragged a non-fan female to watch Star Wars. It was very embarassing whenever Jar Jar was onscreen.
"Star Wars?!?!"
"Sure, Episode 1, it's gonna be great"
"I don't know... this space stuff..."
"Oh, it's cool"
Then:
JAR JAR.
CHOSEN ONE
JAR JAR.
NO FATHER
*********** MIDICHLORIANS **************
9 YEAR OLD BOYS WIN POD-RACES
JAR JAR
9 YEAR OLD BOY SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROY MAJOR SPACE BATTLESHIP
JAR JAR
GUNGANS
JAR JAR
UNDEFEATABLE DROID ARMY RUN OUT OF BATTERY
Oh, man!
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Delance
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11/8/02 11:02am
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Even if it was "just a bizarre move" on his part, we can't simply ignore it.
Yes we can. It's like when your best friend gets REALLY DRUNK and says some bizarre sexual thing to you. If both of you pretend it never happened, it's ok.
Sure, neither was explicitly mentioned in AOTC, but so what?
So it's easier to pretend that stuff never happened.
Both were used to establish that Anakin is the Chosen One; there's no need to bring them up during AOTC.
Not only that, there was in fact a great need NOT to.
Besides, they DID re-emphasize the Chosen One prophecy, and Lucas has NEVER publically backtracked on either issue.
After "Greedo shoots first" the whole continuity on Star Wars collapsed. Face it.
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Delance
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11/8/02 11:11am
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RE: Star Wars and Christianity
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11/8/02 11:13am (2 edits total)
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I wasn't ignoring them; sorry if it seemed like it!
No one got my Art-Deco Artoo-Deetoo reference. Or no one cared.
This may seem incredible, but at last I totally, completely agree with you on a point!! *fireworks go off*
Yeah! The way I randomly talk about stuff, this was to happen some day!
My friends and I all like to say that Anakin's father died while Shmi was pregnant, and that the "no father" thing never existed. You may not be able to ignore the Chosen One prophecy, but you can try!
Maybe she was lying, and Palpatine is Anakin's father. That's a better one.
I must say, though, that I sometimes think that maybe it was Luke, and not Anakin, who actually was the Chosen One. I don't see how Anakin brought balance to the force. Unless it was by his redemption in ROTJ, somehow.
Maybe the Jedi were just wrong about this stuff. Really, they did the "will of the force" and got destroyed.
Train Anakin - WRONG. Became Darth Vaver, a Sith Lord
Help Palpatine - WRONG. He was a Sith Lord
Dooku is an idealist - WRONG. He was a Sith Lord
Tell Luke no to go to Bespin - WRONG. It worked.
Tell Luke not to try to bring Vader back, and kill him and the Emperor - WRONG. Anakin DID come back and destroyed the emperor, while Luke was not able to kill the Emperor. Actually I think this one was planned by Obi-Wan that lied to Luke again.
What if Palpatine knew the true nature of the force, like Vader said?
Maybe he grew overconfident, and began to "foresee" things. Then he was destroyed. Arrogant, was him.
EDIT: Crazy theory stuff
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Bubba_the_Genius
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How about this?
If you want to whine and moan about midichlorians, Jar Jar, the Podrace, Anakin, the Chosen One prophecy, or ANYTHING ELSE, go to the appropriate thread and complain.
We should not discount ANY of it in terms of discussing Star Wars and religion - and we certainly shouldn't discount them just because you don't happen to like them.
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ewokalley
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11/8/02 12:11pm
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In responce to "Hell was first mentioned in the bible"
That is totally false. 1,000 years before christianity was even dreamed up as a practical joke by the aliens from planet zero, the chinese had many forms of hell.
Even the Greeks and Romans had their own versions of hell. (Hades, Shades)
But since the christians have their exclusive timeline, they can't recognise that time at all even though we have artifacts dating back before the alien's practical joke.
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Undomiel
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11/8/02 12:41pm
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Ewokalley,
I find it kinda offensive that you feel it necessary to negate my beliefs based on what you claim is evidence to the contrary. Planet Zero is a fairy tale, a myth, a gleam in God's eye.
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razorsaces
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11/8/02 2:01pm
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Star Wars has a history of revisionist history as Lucas refines his vision the details of the saga change.
Planet Zero? What?!
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