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Delance
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11/9/02 1:16pm
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RE: Star Wars and Christianity
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I would just suggest we focus on what happens within the saga rather than our own opinions on what was good or bad: let's look at what Star Wars says rather than whether we like the particular message.
Like when you dismiss everything you don’t about the Midichlorians on TPM? 
I think you're misreading (or reading too much into) the idea of midi-chlorians.
Well, it's subjective, people read things differently.
The presence of midichlorians indicates a strong connection to the Force; they don't necessarily cause that strong connection.
That's not how it is explained on TPM.
It's possible that a natural strength in the Force leads to a high concentration of midi-chlorians, and that concentration leads to a more intimate knowledge of the Force.
What?
Force makes people have more Midi's, and Midi's make people have more foce. Then force...
And as for "it's possible", It’s also possible that the Emperor is actually a Yoda-clone-inside-droid-pod-on-cyborg-palpatine, but how can we know?
If midi-chlorians DID cause strength in the Force, then the Jedi would INDEED be focused on increasing midi-chlorian count. Instead, even in the prequels, they focus on the Force itself: the midi-chlorians appear to be an effect of the Force, not a cause.
Midchlorians have a will. They are inside the people they want. They created anakin. I’m not saying it’s cool or anything, it’s just what is in the movies wheatear we like it or not.
Notice Qui-Gon, who proposes the midi-chlorian conception theory speaks of the "will of the Force," not the "will of midi-chlorians."
More one reason to believe that it’s the very same thing. He doesn't discriminate them at any time. Or else he would think the force conceived Anakin.
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Plo_Koen
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But isn't it the Force itself that enables this corruption in the first place?
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Delance
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If it indeed were the midis who conceived life, then it get's technical. My geuss would be that the midis within the ovum, "guided by the force", would initiate the multiplication of the ovum.
How could he be a BOY? The woman lacks the genetic material. You need an X and a Y cromossom.
[insert big "genetics are different on SW" debate here]
[inser big "then this technical stuff about midichlorian conception is useless" debate here]
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Delance
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11/9/02 1:23pm
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Like I said before, the stupid midis take away a lot of the magic and mystery from the SW movies.
Oh yeah.
Unless my eyes are going screwy, I believe I read a post made by a guy who thinks that Christianity was started by aliens from a "planet zero".
I think he was making a joke.
Of course, it isn't very respectful when a person makes a joke about a religion that is important to and is practised by a billion or more people all over the world. But maybe he wasn't thinking of that.
Well, not everyone was happy with GL reference of a Virgin Birth on TPM.
Or people comparing the force with God on this thread.
Or the idea displayed on this thread that SW has a better conception of God than most of humanity, which means billions of people from all religions.
But what to expect from a thread with such a topic?
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Again, I disagree with the assessment that the Force is simultaneously good and bad: I think the Dark Side of the Force is a corruption of what it ought to be.
Who decides what it ought to be?
If the force has a will, it indeed allows the Sith to use it's dark side. Remember, it is the Dark Side of the Force who control the Sith's destiny. Not the other way around. Corruption or not, it's a natural part of the force, not something the Sith made up.
In fact, the dark side was already present in Anakin much before any Sith Lord even tried to train him.
Yoda talks of the dark side on TPM as a natural consequence of human emotions, not as a corrption created by men.
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Plo_Koen
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11/9/02 1:42pm
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Obviously the midis had to create the other half of the DNA code, or do you have a better explaination other than "an incident of carnal desires, unusual implements and poor personal hygiene."* ?
(* quoted from SomeRandomNerd)
edit: and I didn't say the Force is both good and bad, I said it was neither.
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Personally, from what we've seen, I think the Light and Dark Sides are more of a concept of the mind instead of a true divide. It's the concept of absolute power corrupts absolutely rather than the Dark Side actually having mental grip on it's victims. People have flexible moral systems. If a person crosses a moral line, their morals change to accept this change.
In vader's case, I imagine he decided that evil was "ok" for the common good that he talks about in AOTC. You'll notice that Vader never just randomly kills people, he only kills "traitors" and the "defective".
It's like drugs. You can be an ex-drug user but you will always be an drug addict. That's why the Dark Side "will forever dominate your destiny" once you start using it.
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11/9/02 6:02pm
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That's basically the way I see it too...
Anakin was the chosen one, but he was free to choose his own path towards his destiny.
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Delance
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11/9/02 7:36pm
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So that's why they had the "Just say no to the dark side" logo on wall when Yoda was teaching the Younglins!
No, wait... They didn't.
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Plo_Koen
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11/10/02 2:54am
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No, it said: "Take no effort, your fate is sealed."
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"Why me worry?"
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Delance
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11/10/02 2:46pm
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Not a drug the dark side is.
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Plo_Koen
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11/10/02 3:56pm
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Not a drug the Force is, I would say, there are no sides to me.
But it can be like a drug.
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Plo_Koen
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No need to get upset, buddy. 
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