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I Think Star Wars is Losing It's Place In My Heart :-(
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Uruk-hai
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Shannon Darklighter, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Thanks.
Ok, people. Please stop with the
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style of posts. It's long, tedious and boring. Why can't you just say what you have to say without including someone elses entire post italicised within yours?
Ok now, I agree with the Jomero, although I am not completely jaded with the OT. I'm just not really getting it with the PT. I have both EP1 and Ep2 on DVD and they look good side by side, but I don't think I'll watch TPM again until the entire saga is released on DVD. I'm an OT fan, nothing will change that, I'm really a PT fan by default because it's Star Wars. If it wasn't Star Wars I doubt I would have bought the PT DVD's. Actually I know I wouldn't have.
Shelley, Fellowship Of The Ring is a mediocre film in your opinion only. I liked the swoop shots and the helicopter shots.
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jedisith
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11/28/02 6:32pm
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I know how some of you feel. At 26 years old I've become untrusting about a few things, my job actually. Star Wars is something that I've literally grown up with my whole life. I think as you grow older it becomes harder to hold on to things from your youth or you see things for what they were. I have a 7 year old nephew who loves Star Wars, it's all my fault really. He has watched the movies since he was between 3 and 4 and I see myself in him now. I still love Star Wars and do feel the way some of you do. I see the excitement he felt about Ep. I and now that he was older Ep. II, I view Star Wars through his eyes and I've got to tell ya'll it takes me back.
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DeJade_Vu
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11/29/02 9:32am
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Anyone who thinks LOTR isn't a good movie is...well...*ahem*I think I'll be quiet now.
 S. Darklighter!
Didn't I say that a thread was locked because 2 people were arguing in there? And in the very same way, too.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, one of those exact same people is now arguing on THIS thread. Hmm. I won't name names, but you know who you are!  
I have the same outlook on the prequels as you do, Uruk-Hai. I know that if I had seen the prequels before the OT, I would not have become a SW fan. On that point I am entirely positive.
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Shelley
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11/29/02 9:38am
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style of posts. It's long, tedious and boring. Why can't you just say what you have to say without including someone elses entire post italicised within yours?
I happen to like it. If you find it long, tedious and boring, DON'T READ IT.
Shelley, Fellowship Of The Ring is a mediocre film in your opinion only. I liked the swoop shots and the helicopter shots.
No, actually, it is not in my opinion only. It is in the opinion of a lot more people than the press bothered to report. Like the people who walked out of the theater I saw it in as the third tedious hour crawled around, or who afterward said, "It could've been worse." And in the opinion of several friends of mine.
Anyone who thinks LOTR isn't a good movie is...well...*ahem*I think I'll be quiet now.
Funny how people who don't like that mediocre movie are worthy of derision, but people who hate the prequels are to be lauded for their taste.
I guess I could say some not-nice things about people who love Mara Jade.
You're both idiots. Get lives, please. Go screw and make-up or something.
Thanks, ShannonDarkligher. I've been banned for saying less.
If you adore Bored of the Rings so much and it's taken the place in your heart that SW used to occupy, why not MOVE ON and leave SW to those of us who enjoy it?
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Jedi_Learner
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11/29/02 10:14am
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It almost doesn't feel "cool" to be a Star Wars fan anymore. That's the reason Kevin Smith doesn't like to put the references as much into his movies anymore either.
You mean Star Wars isn't cool anymore? It cannot be! Why wasn't I told otherwise! 
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MikeyKnew
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11/29/02 10:19am
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Mike, Shelley:
You're both idiots. Get lives, please. Go screw and make-up or something.
That's not nice. Please tell me Shannon, what are you posting on this thread that is so rivetting? If it weren't for people who cared enough about these issues to put some thought/time/passion into their posts, the boards would be very boring. Obviously you cared enough to read what we said and it was enough to rouse you into a reply, so I say: Bully for you if you don't like it. It doesn't make us idiots.
More to the point: how does it benefit you to call someone an idiot on a message board? To see if you can cause some stir, make someone respond? Well, you've accomplished that. Now, do you have anything to say worth reading? Or was that insult the best you could muster?
Also, Shelley, I enjoyed your last post, but I won't reply. I'd like to see where the other posters on this thread take it.
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LoneEvenstar
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11/29/02 10:26am
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Well, I guess for some people at some point in their lives stop liking their obsessions, and it's completely normal. Maybe you're just growing out of it. Maybe you'll like other sci fi movies/books now.
You can be a fan of SW, but you don't need it to be the main point of your life, you don't need to live Star Wars. You can like it, but not be obsessed.
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Shelley
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11/29/02 7:25pm
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That's the reason Kevin Smith doesn't like to put the references as much into his movies anymore either.
Really? Where did he say this? And I might point out that his latest movie not only featured two SW stars, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher (Smith was thrilled), but that it was titled: "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back."
He also hosted the SW fan film awards just before AOTC was released. Oh, I think Kevin Smith is every bit as much a SW geek as he ever was.
As for SW not being cool anymore, maybe not. I don't care. I don't become a fan of a movie or a movie series because it is cool. By the way, I distinctly remember the mid- to late-80s, when SW was just about the least cool thing you could like. If you were a SW fan, you had to keep quiet about it if you didn't want to be laughed/sneered at.
So while it may not be cool now, I have a feeling sometime in the future it will be cool again. These things go in cycles.
I guess the silver lining of the cloud is that when SW isn't cool, the fair-weather fans leave, and the ones who truly love the movies stay.
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MikeSolo
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11/30/02 12:03am
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Star Wars is losing a place in my toes...my toes used to love Star Wars, just now days they just seem to be bored with the OT mostly, they find the PT interesting though. I dunno they have a mind of their own. My toes really hate the Thumb Wars. My heart loves star wars though cause I'm a kid at heart..
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The_living_force
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11/30/02 5:19am
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Mikeyknew, you said you'd like more people to participate so I'll contribute with a couple of my own opinions. On a whole I agree with Shelley though I dont necessarily share her exact views.
To start of I'll venture in to the whole filming back-to-back debate. I believe Luca's first intention WAS to film the entire PT in one go (at lest that's how the rumors went at the time) but decided otherwise, mainly because he felt that he wanted the FX to have time to develop between the films (3 years can mean quite a lot in this department)and, since the films takes place over qite a long period of time (especially between eps. 1&2) he wanted to give the actors time to grow in between as well.
As for the slowmotion & swoop-shots I agree entirely with Shelley, not just regarding those two techniqes but PJ is WAY to overdramatic in his presentation which I think distracts from the film, there is enough tension and drama in the story not to have to rely on "cheap gimmicks" to show it. I much prefer GL's way of using music to convey emotion, it's a more subtle approach than PJ's bombastic in-your-face method. That said, I can definately see why so many people are attracted to PJ's style, it is very aestetically pleasing, it is just, imho too "audience-maniputlating". And while it is true that GL uses moving & panning birds-eye views in the establishment shots that you mentioned of Naboo & Mos eisley Mikey, they are not narely as flamboyant and kinetically exuberant as the ones used in FOTR.
You clame that PJ used forced perspective in FOTR but i've read that he just shot the actors in different sets at different times and then combined them in the computer. However they mave have used different techniques for different scenes, I dont know. Whichever way they did it the result was extraordinary.
In the OT-on-dvd question I once again agree with Shelley, it takes up a lot of GL's time to prep and shoot these movies, so to simultaneously work on releasing the entire OT on dvd is not possible (not to forget, he's also working on Indy IV). He could possibly release, as you said Mikey, a bare-bones dvd with just the movies, but if GL wishes to prolong them in order to get the best release possible, I cant argue with that. He probably wants them to fit in with the PT-dvd's as well, regarding the look and the extras, so that they get a consistent feel.
The points in where I do agree with Mikeyknew are:
1. The acting, the most successfull part regarding FOTR imo, are the characters and their portrayals by the acters.
2. GL dont listen to the fans. I think he just does what he thinks the fans will like, Yoda fight & Boba Fett in AOTC for example. In these cases he seemed to be pretty accurate in he's guesses, though I wasn't to thrilled with the Yoda fight, but otherwise I've been satisfied, so I guess it's just luck if you like the PT or not. But i think the same thin was true with the OT's
Well, there you have my take on some of the issues brougth up in your debate. And I have to commend Mikeyknew for some great points and arguments, although I dont agree with most of what you state, it is always fun to read.
I'll just close with pointing out that English is not my first language so there are probably a whollop(?) of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors, but I believe my opinions came through.
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Shelley
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11/30/02 4:31pm
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Thank you, The_living_force. I appreciated you sharing your thoughts.
You clame that PJ used forced perspective in FOTR but i've read that he just shot the actors in different sets at different times and then combined them in the computer. However they mave have used different techniques for different scenes, I dont know. Whichever way they did it the result was extraordinary
While I don't agree that the result was extraordinary, if he shot the actors on different sets at different times and combined them, that's really no different than using CGI; the actor is acting against no one. Christopher Lee (who has worked with both Jackson and Lucas) actually likes bluescreen; he says it challenges him. Actors perform entire plays without props and with only a very fake-looking painted background. Bluescreen is really no different.
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DeJade_Vu
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Funny how people who don't like that mediocre movie are worthy of derision, but people who hate the prequels are to be lauded for their taste.
FOTR is a better movie than the prequels. It just is. The way it's made, the script, the acting, the characters, everything, is simply better than Eps.I & II. Except, of course, for the special effects, which I think are both equally good.
I'm surprised some people think LOTR mediocre, or even....boring! I really, truly, can't believe that! "Boring" is the absolute last word that would ever enter my mind when it comes to describing that movie. Of course, when it comes to liking movies, some people are exceptions to every rule but I have never heard anyone say that LOTR isn't, at least, good. That is like saying Michelangelo had no artistic talent. Even if I had walked out of the theatre thinking that I hadn't liked the film I would have to admit that it was extraordinarily well done.
Well, each to his own. You can't please everybody, I suppose.
I guess I could say some not-nice things about people who love Mara Jade.
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Shelley
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FOTR is a better movie than the prequels. It just is. The way it's made, the script, the acting, the characters, everything, is simply better than Eps.I & II. Except, of course, for the special effects, which I think are both equally good.
Episodes I & II are better than FOTR. They just are. And they are infinitely better than the EU.
I'm surprised some people think LOTR mediocre, or even....boring! I really, truly, can't believe that!
Why? Is it so hard for you to believe that people have different opinions than you?
"Boring" is the absolute last word that would ever enter my mind when it comes to describing that movie. Of course, when it comes to liking movies, some people are exceptions to every rule but I have never heard anyone say that LOTR isn't, at least, good.
I've heard many people say it was boring, mediocre, "could've been worse," pretentious, and a pile of crap.
That is like saying Michelangelo had no artistic talent.
No, actually, it is like saying you think a movie is mediocre. Jackson is not Michelangelo. He's not even Michelangelo's toe jam.
Even if I had walked out of the theatre thinking that I hadn't liked the film I would have to admit that it was extraordinarily well done.
And believe it or not, some people walked out of the theater thinking it was not well done. You don't have to "admit" something that isn't a fact.
Or to put it another way: shouldn't you have to admit that Mara Jade is a crappy character and totally unworthy of being a Jedi master and the focus of so much adoration and attention?
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Easy here people, be careful on the flaming.
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DeJade_Vu
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Ep.I and II are not better than FOTR.
Why? Is it so hard for you to believe that people have different opinions than you?
Since I've registered on these boards I've heard an awful lot of wierd things, so, no.
Shelley, if you are going to disagree with me, could you at least do so in a polite or friendly manner? You don't have to explode.
p.s. We aren't discussing Mara Jade on this thread, so I'd rather not get into an argument about her. As a matter of fact, LOTR has nothing to do with this thread either, so I think we should drop the subject. Deal?
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