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urbnns Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 5/9 4:50pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	Picked up 21 Neyos and 20 Covert Ops last night! It was a long night, but a glorious evening!
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Syntax Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/9 6:00pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2) - Date Edited: 5/9 6:08pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Syntax
	urbnns posted: Picked up 21 Neyos and 20 Covert Ops last night! It was a long night, but a glorious evening! What could you possibly need that many troopers for? What about leaving some on the pegs for other people to buy? -----signature----- Lieutenant Colonel 9-LOM "Syntax" Corsair Squadron Commanding Officer CRS Vigilant - http://www.bhorizon.com/renegade/1024.html "That's me, the life of the party" -- 9-LOM, 'One for the Money' "Flying is for droids" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, 'Revenge of the Sith
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urbnns Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 5/9 6:37pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2) - Date Edited: 5/9 6:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: urbnns
	Syntax posted: What could you possibly need that many troopers for? What about leaving some on the pegs for other people to buy? I'm an army builder. If it's an SA sculpt clone (certain restrictions apply), I go all out. Don't worry, I've never completely drained the pegs. Eventually Hasbro floods the shelves. Oh, and it's not like I'm buying them to resell them. I'm buying them for my own personal use. Sorry to offend if that's the case...
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Syntax Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/9 8:22pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2) - Date Edited: 5/9 9:05pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Syntax
	Reselling or not, I still find it utterly crazy that you'd buy 20 of the same figure, under the reasoning that "oh, Hasbro will refill the pegs". What if they don't? Does that make you a jerk? I checked your profile to see if you're from the same city as me (Flagstaff, AZ), but I forgot that you can't list a location in your profile; it might explain why I've never seen Neyo or the Covert Ops trooper on the pegs. And even if it's not you personally, it's probably people like you - if Hasbro intended for people to buy up 20 of the same figure, they'd release army builder multipacks of that figure like they've done in the past. Going around town buying up the entire stock of particular figures from what sounds like every store sounds awfully selfish to me. You're not reselling them like a scalper, but you're automatically forcing a lot of people to go to the secondary market and probably pay a markup if they really want those figures, because you bought twenty of them. Buying 1? Hey, yeah, lots and lots of people do that. Two? Alright, buying one to open and one to keep in the package, I can respect that. Three? I can't really find the reason for it, but hey it's not that big a deal I guess. Twenty? Especially in one day? That's pretty inconsiderate for other local people, especially if they don't have other avenues of getting those figures other than local stores. 20 of the same figure. Good god. -----signature----- Lieutenant Colonel 9-LOM "Syntax" Corsair Squadron Commanding Officer CRS Vigilant - http://www.bhorizon.com/renegade/1024.html "That's me, the life of the party" -- 9-LOM, 'One for the Money' "Flying is for droids" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, 'Revenge of the Sith
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GrandWarlord Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 5/9 11:58pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2) - Date Edited: 5/10 12:03am (2 edits total) Edited By: GrandWarlord
	My girlfriend bought me the covert op's stormtrooper, and shadow trooper yesterday. It was an elegant surprise....from a very beautiful lady! On a different note, a couple of the above posts made me think of some things: Although not star wars related, That reminds me of night before last, when we got in two cases of Hot wheels cars at wally world, and I did an experiment. I put the two cases up, and while I filled up other shelves with frieght (other toy stock we got in that night) i kinda kept an eye on that aisle, just to see how long it would take before somebody came along, and snagged all the really cool ones. Within five minutes of putting them on the pegs a guy came along, and he had an arm load of cars. He had so many they where falling from his arms ,and to the floor. He suddenly seen me watching him and kinda sneaked off, arms loaded with the cars. I've also seen this happen with the star wars figures of course. Being a collector is tricky business. Sometimes it can bring people together. But other times it can cause a battle between collectors. Scrambling to the pegs for that last sought after figure. Working in retail, where figures are sold, can be a nightmare because I'll see figures come in I wouldn't mind having, but by the time it's quitting time and I return to the pegs, those figures I liked are history. I've watched as the "scavangers" (which is what I call them) swoop in and take armloads of figures. They know what time we run our freight, and they wait until the right moment, and they pounce. But all is fair in love and war. And I guess in the star wars collecting universe it's all fair game. You get there first, you get them. And as I get older, I notice that I may have turned into the scavanger myself. If I go into a store, and see a bunch of figures I want, I buy all I can if I have the money. I did that last week at Target with Titanium ships. And thinking back now, I should have just bought like two I liked the most, instead of buying the entire new wave of them. But it's nice to look and see all my ships. As I'm sure it's nice to see that grand army of the republic. I can see both sides of the coin on this one. I can see the point of having the soldiers to build that impressive army. And I can see the frusteration of being the person who might want that soldier, just one of them, but seeing them all being bought away. To some buying many of the same figure might seem greedy, outragous even. But to others it's a major step in that ultimate final goal in thier collecting dream. I remember when ROTS came out, and we had a special thing at midnight, at the store where we had a whole entire section, loaded with new figures, ships, etc. open up. I went, along with my little brother. And it was kind of ridiculous. There where several people waiting there, counting the minutes until midnight. Upon looking at the people I noticed he was like the only kid there. The rest where grown men. Now I know it was late at night, but it wasn't a school night and he could stay up later. I told him to pick out the one thing he wanted to buy way ahead of time (we went like half hour early), and focus on it. When they opened it up I told him to go right for it, fast and furious. When the clock hit midnight, that's exactly what he did, and he got what he wanted. But it was like a feeding frenzy in some kind of goldfish pond, where the fish where starving and you drop some flake food in, and the fish all fight for the food. Guys walked out of there that night with full cars of figures, many of the same figure. Anybody shopping that area the next day would have been all outta luck. It angered me that they probably where going to definately resell them the next day either at a store, or online (ebay). To me it's one thing if your buying figures for your own collection, your own goals. But it's another just to buy a boatload of them just to resell and try and make a profit. I don't know why, but it bugs the heck out of me. Star wars collecting is suppose to be for our own happiness. Where you can look either through your collection, or at it displayed and beam with pride. Collecting is there to bring back memories. Either of your childhood, or parts of the movies that you remember that charector being in. Collections shouldn't be for profit. It should be because it brings you pleasure. And maybe brings out that child from within you. Or maybe just after working that twelve hour day, dealing with the trials of life. You can come home and play with the figures, the ships, etc. And it's that smile on your face that makes it all worth while. Sorry for going on and on, the last couple posts just made me sit back and think a little bit... -----signature----- Grand Admiral Thrawn was the best of the best. Black Moon #2- Black Moon Squadron
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Syntax Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/10 9:04am Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	GrandWarlord posted: I've watched as the "scavangers" (which is what I call them) swoop in and take armloads of figures. They know what time we run our freight, and they wait until the right moment, and they pounce. But all is fair in love and war. And I guess in the star wars collecting universe it's all fair game. You get there first, you get them. And as I get older, I notice that I may have turned into the scavanger myself. If I go into a store, and see a bunch of figures I want, I buy all I can if I have the money. I did that last week at Target with Titanium ships. And thinking back now, I should have just bought like two I liked the most, instead of buying the entire new wave of them. But it's nice to look and see all my ships. As I'm sure it's nice to see that grand army of the republic. I can see both sides of the coin on this one. I can see the point of having the soldiers to build that impressive army. And I can see the frusteration of being the person who might want that soldier, just one of them, but seeing them all being bought away. To some buying many of the same figure might seem greedy, outragous even. But to others it's a major step in that ultimate final goal in thier collecting dream. I see no problem in buying multiple figures at once when they're all different. There's a pretty big distinction between buying up a whole lot of the same figure (for any reason) and buying up 1 of each figure. Hell, buying 1 of each figure makes sense, and Hasbro pretty much expects you to do it. If you do it all in one go, or over time (...as I usually do, being a little on the poor side), it really doesn't make much difference. Especially with Hasbro releasing figures with collector coins and a fold-up book to keep them all in, Hasbro kinda expects that you'll buy several different figures. Buying lots and lots of the same figure, though, immediately puts other collectors in the hands of the secondary market, whether you did it intentionally or unintentionally. Now other collectors have to go to eBay or whatever in order to find the figures you bought more than your fair share of. -----signature----- Lieutenant Colonel 9-LOM "Syntax" Corsair Squadron Commanding Officer CRS Vigilant - http://www.bhorizon.com/renegade/1024.html "That's me, the life of the party" -- 9-LOM, 'One for the Money' "Flying is for droids" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, 'Revenge of the Sith
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Icebreaker Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/11 1:32am Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	This is actually a good discussion. The other day when I picked up some Indy figures I had the chance to completely clean them out of their Indiana Jones figures. I think I got there right when they put the stuff out. Completely on accident too... Anyway, I ended up just buying two of the ROTLA Jones figures. One to keep in box and one to open for my desk. I bought one of a few other figures to leave in the box. I thought about doubling up, but I actually didn't think that was fair. I felt guilty about it. It bothers me that people will buy up all the figures when given the chance. One is enough. Rarely do I buy two of the same and when I do it's just cause it's a cool figure that I would like to have an open version of. I can see both sides as well, but it really upsets me sometimes when I can't find even ONE of a certain figure because some guy walked out with a butt-load of them. -matthew
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JUKE-SKYWALKER Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/11 11:20am Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2) - Date Edited: 5/11 11:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: JUKE-SKYWALKER
	I picked up the Zev Senesca figure [that I didn't even know was coming out ]. It's been a slow year for new 'Star Wars' figures. This is the first one I've bought in ages. It hasn't been your traditional "wave a month" year so far. Just to jump in the conversation real quick... My philosophy when I want more than one of the same figure [Example; two 'ROTLA' Indiana Jones' w/idol, one to open one to keep on card] is to not buy them both at the same store or at least on the same day. That way you don't wipe out the selection there as quickly. If you're a collector you're bound to hit multiple stores, so you'll likely come across the figure again. "Army building" is a gray area because it's not scalping. People are making legitimate purchases, but empty pegs are discouraging for other collectors and fickle kids will move on down to the next toy line. Really though I only get mad when someone purposefully buys up figures, especially hard to find ones, for no other purpose than to re-sell them for twice the price. That's just bad for collectors, bad for kids and bad for the hobby IMO. Okay, enough from me . -----signature----- ’Cause there’s thunder in your heart... Every move is like lightning! http://overgrownboyscout.blogspot.com/ "It's going to take a lot more than skill for Cru Jones to conquer the toughest BMX challenge in the world. It's going to take a miracle."
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pretender Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/11 4:46pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	I didn't even know Shadow Troopers were even being made. I was in Wal-Mart Friday and nothing new was there then I went in Saturday to pick up pictures and walked through toys not expecting anything and suddenly saw troopers. I got one each: Utapu, Covert Ops, Shadow, and Neyo. Roughly 28 dollars for the 4, I'm not sure how people can even afford to "army build". -----signature----- http://www.TigerRocket.com T-shirts featuring Pirates Arecibo message and more
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urbnns Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 5/11 5:13pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	Syntax posted: I see no problem in buying multiple figures at once when they're all different. There's a pretty big distinction between buying up a whole lot of the same figure (for any reason) and buying up 1 of each figure. Hell, buying 1 of each figure makes sense, and Hasbro pretty much expects you to do it. If you do it all in one go, or over time (...as I usually do, being a little on the poor side), it really doesn't make much difference. Especially with Hasbro releasing figures with collector coins and a fold-up book to keep them all in, Hasbro kinda expects that you'll buy several different figures. Buying lots and lots of the same figure, though, immediately puts other collectors in the hands of the secondary market, whether you did it intentionally or unintentionally. Now other collectors have to go to eBay or whatever in order to find the figures you bought more than your fair share of. What can I say? I am an army-builder. I don't go out and buy 26 Darth Revan figures just so I can say I did. I bought one for my collection because that was all I wanted. I also bought a couple more for my friends who asked me to, because that is the kind of person I am. Even doing that, I still left tons of those figures on the shelves for other people to buy. But the fact of the matter is this, most everyone I left behind ended up in the hands of scalpers who are doing quite well with them in the secondary market. Specifically regarding clone troopers, Hasbro mass produces them! That's what they do because of people like me who build armies. The only people who are getting raped in the secondary market for clones are people who have no patience. I went around buying 100 Saga Legends Shock Troopers when they first came out, so for awhile, yes, they were hard to find in my area. But the truth of the matter is that you can walk into any Target, Wal-Mart, etc. nowadays and find atleast 5 of them hanging on the pins. If you are buying clones on ebay or at a comic book store for more than $7 a piece, the only person you have to blame is yourself. I will never apologize for my collecting habits. I pay for my items and I do it for the pure pleasure I get out of it. If you have a problem with that, I guess you'll just have to live with it. Oh, and no I don't live in your area so you are personally safe from me.
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urbnns Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 5/11 5:16pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	pretender posted: I didn't even know Shadow Troopers were even being made. I was in Wal-Mart Friday and nothing new was there then I went in Saturday to pick up pictures and walked through toys not expecting anything and suddenly saw troopers. I got one each: Utapu, Covert Ops, Shadow, and Neyo. Roughly 28 dollars for the 4, I'm not sure how people can even afford to "army build". What? You mean somebody found them even though I supposedly bought everyone in existence?!! Congrats, Pretender!
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pretender Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/12 4:20am Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	I was actually surprised by how many there were. I don't think any of the clones were shortpacked there seemed to be only one or two crates on shelves (there were very few pegs in the Star wars section) and yet there were more than just one each of the troopers. I feel self-conscious if I snatch the last of a figure even though I'm only buying one but I know there were more troopers left. Maybe Hasbro realized they would be popular army builders, that and they were all originally exclusives so fans would want their chance at them. -----signature----- http://www.TigerRocket.com T-shirts featuring Pirates Arecibo message and more
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Obey Wann Title: Former RMFF CR & SW Region RSA Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/12 7:31am Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	Syntax, I think you need to get off your high horse. At least he is a fan, who is collecting them for a legitimate purpose. Better that than the scalpers who buy them to resell at twice or three times their the price. We are all fans of this crazy universe. Some, like urbnns, spend ungodly amounts of time and money bying armies of figures. I just spent an (almost) equally ungodly amount of money finishing a set of EP 2 clone armor. Not as much as urbnns did, but I could have bought several hundred clones for the cost of my one set of armor I completed. But we do what we do because that's where our passions lie. He has the time, money and effort to spend checking all the stores --good for him. I don't, but I can respect him for doing what he does. Some folks are completist (I was during the early POTF days), and buy every single rev and every variant that comes out. So what. It's their money. And time. And gas. If they want to spend almost $4 a gallon driving all over town to multiple stores at all times of day and night, let 'em. And in this day of outrageous gas prices, I'd almost be willing to pay scalper prices if I had 1 or 2 figures that I really, really wanted --just so I didn't have to waste my time and money driving all over town. But my off hour time is very valuable to me, so I'd rather pay a premium if I needed to. But that's me. Or I find a fellow local collector, who does go all over town, have him pick it up, then owe him a beer next time we get together. Either way it's all good. So stop stressing, and either enjoy the hunt, or order online. It's your time and money. Or your heart attack. -----signature----- WARNING: Consumption of beverages &/or foodstuffs while communicating with the RMFF is highly discouraged. Proceed at your own risk, as the RMFF is not responsible for any keyboard, monitor, or sinus damage as a result of ignoring this warning. CIV Pics:
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Syntax Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/12 3:47pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2)
	Obey Wann posted: Syntax, I think you need to get off your high horse. At least he is a fan, who is collecting them for a legitimate purpose. Better that than the scalpers who buy them to resell at twice or three times their the price. No I won't get off my high horse, because I'm not on one. Yes it is better than the scalpers, because at least he's not reselling them to selfishly make a profit, but I still think he's doing the next best (worst?) thing: he's depleting the local inventory for himself at the expense of other collectors, forcing them to go to the secondary market... and quite probably pay scalper prices. Yes it's his time, his money, and his gas, but couldn't you say the same thing about your friendly neighborhood scalper, who buys up stuff and then re-sells it to recoup his costs? "Doing what you love" with the hobby of collecting is great, and I endorse it, except when it's heavily interfering with other collectors. In my view, buying up 20 of the same individually-carded figure does exactly that. If he was buying up "army builder" multipacks, buying cases in bulk right from Hasbro or shop.starwars.com or something, things like that, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Of course I can't make him stop, or make him apologize, or make him do anything, but what I can do is voice my opinion. And based on the responses in this thread, it seems I'm not entirely alone in that opinion. We can all get along, but it doesn't mean we all have to agree. -----signature----- Lieutenant Colonel 9-LOM "Syntax" Corsair Squadron Commanding Officer CRS Vigilant - http://www.bhorizon.com/renegade/1024.html "That's me, the life of the party" -- 9-LOM, 'One for the Money' "Flying is for droids" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, 'Revenge of the Sith
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urbnns Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 5/12 4:30pm Subject: RE: I bought them all! The ships...the figures...even the Legos! (New acquisitions part 2) - Date Edited: 5/12 4:37pm (1 edits total) Edited By: urbnns
	Syntax posted: ..."Doing what you love" with the hobby of collecting is great, and I endorse it, except when it's heavily interfering with other collectors. In my view, buying up 20 of the same individually-carded figure does exactly that. If he was buying up "army builder" multipacks, buying cases in bulk right from Hasbro or shop.starwars.com or something, things like that, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Of course I can't make him stop, or make him apologize, or make him do anything, but what I can do is voice my opinion. And based on the responses in this thread, it seems I'm not entirely alone in that opinion. We can all get along, but it doesn't mean we all have to agree. You're exactly right, Syntax. We don't have to agree. I want to lay a hypothetical situation out there (based on some SW Figures I see on the pins all the time). Okay, so let's say everyone approaches collecting the way you've laid it out. Everyone can only go out and buy one of each different figure. Let's assume a market of 1,000 collectors (yes, there are many more but this is just hypothetical). Let's also assume that Hasbro has done their market research from past sales and has forecasted that they can sell 4,000 clones. Let's also assume that Hasbro has a break-even point of 1,000 units. If everyone plays by your rules, then Hasbro has produced 3,000 clones too many. They haven't made any profit from the production of those clones, they have simply made their money back on the first 1,000 and have now lost money on the other 3,000. What is the likelihood that Hasbro will produce any clones in the future? Little next to none. Now, let's consider the real market. Look at how many ROTS and AOTC white clones that Hasbro produced for the Saga Legends line last year. Did they produce them with the intention of every collector only buying one or two? No, they knew from watching their previous sales as well as watching the sales of the original releases of those figures in the secondary market that people would buy them by the tons. That is why you can walk into any store today at any given time and still find those clones hanging on the pegs. Hasbro wants you to buy more than two. If Hasbro only wanted army-builders to buy army-builder packs, wouldn't they produce more army-builder packs? How many army-builder packs have you seen in the stores lately?? Hasbro intentionally single-cards clones because they know they will sell, and they have a higher profit margin for Hasbro when they are sold individually. Not only are you way off base in considering me bad for the amount of stuff I purchase. You ought to be THANKFUL to me for doing it! People like me make it worth Hasbro's time and effort to keep Star Wars figures in production.
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